On Mar 8, 5:51 pm, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On 8 Mar 2007 06:43:09 -0800, "Jon" wrote:



On Mar 7, 4:06 pm, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On 7 Mar 2007 07:54:54 -0800, "Jon" wrote:

I just got a ahold of someone who indicated the NOTAM does indeed need
to
and shall be removed. Now that the 3rd GEO is commissioned, the
availability
in the NorthEast is good enough once again.

Personally, though, you'd have to be nuts to fly in the cold of the
last couple of days,
unless you have some way of taking the heat directly off the engine
block!

I guess between all of us bothering various Feds, someone finally got to
someone who could make the decision to remove!!

No bother at all, Ron. When a thread comes along that actually applies
to what I do for work, I want to find out what's going on and see
about resolving the issue(s) if I can.

Well, it seems it worked. Thanks.



All of this stuff doesn't mean anything if the end user can't benefit
from it. Y'all could just stay home, simulate flight, and order the
$100 burger for delivery, right?

If the OTS was "properly" issued, because of the satellite being moved, it
does not make sense that it should only apply to a single airport in ME;
especially with our generally poor coverage (even after the new satellite
deployment) and also given the guidance published in 2003.

I'll see what I can find out regarding edge-of-coverage issues. It
comes down to where the "line is drawn", so to speak, but you bring up
a good point regarding KAUG being singled out. Was it the only one? I
haven't had time to look up if there were other locations at the edge-
of-coverage which also had vertical approaches.

KAUG was the only one that I recall that had the OTS Notam. And yes, there
are other approaches that have vertical guidance that are "further out"
than KAUG. KPQI comes to mind with an LPV approach. KPSM also has LPV
approaches, but I don't know if it is "further out". And, of course, there
are several, including KEPM, with LNAV approaches with "advisory vertical
guidance".

I spoke with someone this morning, and it turns out there actually
were 5 locations which had been NOTAMed out. It's now looking like the
cancellation for KAUG should have been handled the same as the others,
but wasn't.

An "unrel" Notam would have been proper, even then.

Perhaps. My best guess here is that a) the availability was so poor,
they felt it better to be safe and disable it entirely and b) to avoid
potential confusion, they decided not to use the UNREL contraction for
this purpose.

I don't know -- but there were other airports further out of coverage which
did not get the OTS NOTAM, to the best of my recollection.

Since they were apparently canceled much sooner, they may have not
been in the system all that long. Unless you were checking often
(presumably last year as well), you might have not ever seen them.

When I get some time, I can try to get access to the archives to find
out details on the lifetime of the other NOTAMs. Depending upon how
long ago they were canceled, it may not be trivial (USNS only journals
for a few months).

In any event, I don't believe OTS was ever defined for a WAAS Notam.

I concur and will try to raise it as a discussion point.

I have spent years, by the way, to try to get sufficient heat into my a/c
to fly this time of year. I still have some drafts to seal up, but it's
better this year than it's ever been. One of the changes was adding an
extra heat muff (done via a logbook entry, by the way).

Flying this time of year is amazing so far as performance is concerned! If
I can preflight in a hangar, I'm good.

Are you based up in ME or were you just flying there?

Primary base is KEPM -- Eastport, ME. I do a lot of flying between KASH
and KEPM as we have a second home in NH near some of our kids.

Nice. I've done a bit of camping/hiking in NH (mostly White Mountain
area, but get up to Fryeburg on the ME border once). I imagine it's
quite scenic from the air as well, esp. around peak color time in the
fall.

Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Regards,
Jon