I just reread the previous post that I responded to and see that the
poster only mentioned a higher altitude requirement to teach spins in
that aircraft, not only teaching in that aircraft.

On 9/14/2018 8:22 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
So... If you'll only train spins in an aircraft with a "standard"
recovery, what's a solo pilot to do when he encounters a
"non-standard" spin recovery requirement?Â* This sounds to me like
something is lacking...

On 9/14/2018 6:44 AM, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le vendredi 14 septembre 2018 14:30:05 UTC+2, Jonathan Walker a écritÂ*:
Just to correct a couple of misconceptions about the ASK21 and
spinning.

It WILL spin without the use of a spin kit, it just needs a rearward
CofG.
Normally (but not always) with an instructor on board the CofG will
be to
far forward but once the pupil goes solo then that can be a very
different
matter! Any talk that an aircraft is unspinable is the type of thing
that
can lull trainees into a false sense of security.

As for the comment that it make a good spin trainer with the spin
weights I
would have to disagree. Its spin entry and recovery are inconsistent
even
at the same CofG. If you look at the updated flight manual even the
spin
recovery is non-standard. Note the point that says
"Warning: Fall forward stick may retard or even prevent spin recovery"

https://www.alexander-schleicher.de/..._TM23_E_HB.pdf


If your not careful you are training pilots with a recovery
technique that
will not work for all other aircraft.

I agree with this. With the spin kit, spin entry is not at all like
what you would see with an LS4, LS8 or Discus (which can be brought
into a spin with the nose not much above the horizon. And I don't
like the fact that recovery is non-standard. If the student uses the
wrong technique, you will do 3-4 more turns after you've taken over
controls. For that reasin, I don't do spin training with the ask
below 1000 m AGL.


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Dan, 5J