On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:58:20 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 4/14/2021 11:35 AM:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:29:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 4/14/2021 5:17 AM:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:08:52 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Wallace Berry wrote on 4/13/2021 6:32 PM:
The risk was the high chance of injury or death if the lift did not pan out . The pure gliders h I would consider that a pretty big advantage over a purist. The purist cannot compensate for that type of mistake, we must deal with the situation at hand and at times suffer the consequences. The purist flies with a different mindset, reality sets in real quick and making decisions on should or should not has a different price to pay.
But, you are not making progress. :^)

No one disputes the convenience of having a motor to avoid landing out - that's the #2 reason
for getting a motorglider, as the motorglider pilots here (including me) have repeatedly
pointed out. What I was discussing above is the claim that it is a "huge" or "pretty big"
advantage for contest flying.

What I'm trying to understand is your reasons for making an issue of the motor, when you don't
fly contests (AFAIK). The US contest rules don't distinguish between them, the SSA doesn't have
separate record classes for them, so why do you manufacture division, when most of us don't
care, and are just happy to see someone show up at the airport and fly with us? Are you
trolling, lonely, uninformed, or ?

What I have pointed out is that there is a completely different mindset between the purist and the motorglider pilot, it kind of baffles me that so many MGP's are in disagreement with that theory. Very early on I stated that there should be consideration changes between MG vs the purist in OLC scoring. Not long ago a MGP flew with us and had engine problems, unfortunately or fortunately I was there to provide a tow. After the flight the MPG told me that they had to fly with a different mindset, I found that to be a very honest statement, actually I was impressed by the performance of the self launch glider.
Now I realize that you and J6 have real issues with my opinion, I hope that I have somewhat made you more cognizant of the mindset difference. When you make that trip to Florida please come to Vero Beach and fly with us old guys. Old Bob

A pilot's "mindset" differs widely, depending the personal circumstances; eg, between a 1-26
pilot and a Nimbus 4 pilot, between me in my Phoenix and me in my ASH26E; between the pilot
with an eager crew and the pilot that's crewless (and not sure anyone will come get him);
between the pilot that thinks a $200 towplane retrieve is a super bargain and the pilot that
can hardly afford a 1500' tow. What's disturbing to a lot of us is you won't recognize all the
variety in soaring circumstances, and focus unnecessarily, and often rudely, on a single
factor: the motor. "I hope that I have somewhat made you more cognizant of the mindset
difference", that the mindset differences within a group (motored or towed) can vary more than
the differences between the two groups.

I can't explain it any better, so I'm done. If you have questions about operating a motorglider
safely and enjoyably, please read my Guide (link below). If you still have questions, email me
at
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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

Eric, I am going to miss you. Old Bob