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Old March 8th 04, 11:05 PM
Stinky Pete
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Stinky Pete" wrote in message
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Well...it's been a romp for US jets pretty much always.

Just look at the record of Russki jets in the first Gulf War, the

Balkans,
Libya and Israel vs. Syria in the Bekaa valley.

This should give you some idea why jets like the Gripen, Eurofighter and
Rafale can seem to sell for diddly.In the past 10 years, they've

probably
sold for export 20 aircraft between the three of them.


Well now all 3 are relatively new aircraft and only the Rafale is
likely to be offered to Syria, Iraq, Libya or Iran


Well now, offering and selling are two different things, ain't they. The
Frogs are offering the Rafale to Indonesia but that's a long way to a sale.
I don't think that plane has ever gotten any export orders.

Saab have sold around 40 Gripen to SA and Hungary, and are
negotiating with the Brazilians. I rather doubt that they would sell
to Israel at all.


I believe the Hungarian planes are leased.

As for Eurofighter the current no of orders is more than double that
for F-22 at UK 250, Italy 130, Germany 130 and Spain 90
with export orders from Austria and interest from Singapore


Germany just barely avoided chopping its order.
JSF is the Faberge egg of fighters. Not many can afford them. So why not
compare the JSF? JSF will sell literally thousands of aircraft. The second
batch of Euroblighters will stall in contract negotiations for most if not
all of this year. It seems the lovey-dovey partners can't agree on what
weapons systems to put in and how much they will cost. So the numbers you
mention above are a long way from reality. JSF will probably surpass those
numbers easily...and its not even in production yet.


Germany came real
close to bailing out of the Eurofighter program. If it wasn't for India,
Russia wouldn't sell anything either.


This is a silly thing to say when you consider the large number of nations
operating Sukhoi and Mig aircraft.


Old ones. At some point though, India will have crashed all the old ones and
then they'll have to buy new.

Keith