"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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You can =log= PIC time as a non-instrument-rated private pilot, even under
an
IFR flight plan that your instructor files, even though the instructor
must
=be= PIC(*). However, you can =not= use this time as the time required
under
61.65(d)(1). Though it's in your logbook as PIC (sole manipulator, or
"Hands On
Time"), you were not PIC (Top Dog) on that flight.

But you don't have to have been PIC on the flight in order to use your
properly logged PIC time to meet the flight-experience requirements for a
certificate or rating (such as the PIC-time requirement set form in
61.65d1). As the sole-manipulator rated for the aircraft, a private pilot
who is not PIC can log IFR/IMC flight time as PIC time, according to
61.51e1i. And then, according to 61.51c1, the time so logged can be used to
meet the requirements to apply for a certificate or rating. (If 61.51c
didn't let you count the logged PIC time when the regs call for PIC time,
then what would be the point of being able to log it as such?)

--Gary