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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

That's exactly my point. If ATC tells you 'remain outside of
Class Bravo Airspace', you're stuck. you remain outside it. If they
don't contact you, you remain outside. If they even identify you, and
you don't hear those magic words clearing you into the Bravo, you
remain outside.

Mxsmanic wrote:

If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC
tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the
airspace before you enter it.

(emphasis added)

You miss the point again. ATC does *NOT* have to reply to you
at all, despite all your calls for Class B clearance. If you do not
hear from them, you're not getting into the Bravo at all. So you'd
better get below it (assuming you can without passing through it), stay
above it (assuming you can without passing through it), or go around
it.

And for 'you can do what you want in Class B', 7-9-2.a of the
..65T tells you otherwise:

a. VFR aircraft must obtain an ATC clearance to operate in Class B
airspace.

PHRASEOLOGY:
CLEARED THROUGH/TO ENTER/OUT OF BRAVO AIRSPACE,

and as appropriate,

VIA (route). MAINTAIN (altitude) WHILE IN BRAVO AIRSPACE.

or

CLEARED AS REQUESTED.

(Additional instructions, as necessary.)

REMAIN OUTSIDE BRAVO AIRSPACE. (When necessary, reason and/or
additional instructions.)


So if you are told to maintain a given altitude while in the
Bravo with your clearance to enter the Bravo, you will be no where near
'you can do what you want'. In short, you're a guest in Class B
airspace, and at the command of what ATC needs you to do, based on
their workload, other traffic, and/or any other limitations.

BL.
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