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From: "Guinnog65" lid
Date: 9/20/2004 6:45 PM Central Daylight Time
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"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Guinnog65" lid
Date: 9/20/2004 5:01 PM Central Daylight Time
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"Steve R." wrote in message
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I read that and wonderd who could write such a bunch of BS and
actually
believe it, then I saw who wrote it. All made sense then.
Steve R.
(son of Democrats turned Repubs in the 60's. Been to the sandbox,
going
back
in 6mo. Believes in what we're doing there

Including the prisoner abuse? Including targetting civilians?

Hopefully the prisoner abuse has been stopped.

Hopefully.

If a civilian bears arms against
coalotion or Iraqui forces he's a valid target. If a bad guy hides
behind
civilians then it's his fault the civilians get greased.

Right.

As for civilians dancing on recently attacked military vehicles just how
is the
guy in the Apache to know they aren't the ones that attacked or aren't
still
attacking the vehicles?

Er... common sense?

I can tell you have never been in combat. I have and can tell you if I
found
anyone on or near a recently shot up U.S. military vehicle, whether they
were
openly armed or not, it's a good assumption they had something to do with
the
attack and are then valid targets.

Including the journalists? I wouldn't agree with that. Was your combat
experience by any chance in the US's little adventure in SE Asia that so
dominates US politics to this day? If it was, maybe you should ask yourself
if applying the same strategies as you did there is really such a good idea?

If they were there a day later common sense
would say they weren't. Bear in mind the bad guys in Iraq are not wearing
uniforms. If you don't understand the ramifications of the read the Geneva
Conventions.

I am familiar with the Geneva Conventions. Where does it say you are allowed
to kill unarmed civilians if you *think* they are sympathetic to the
opposition? Surely common sense would tell you that by doing this you merely
guarantee the opposition a fresh supply of recruits? This seems obvious to
me.


There are risks to being stupid in a war zone.

As the US policy makers are finding out. At the cost, unfortunately of a
lot
of US troops and an even greater number of Iraqi civilians.

All of which could end today if the insurgents laid down their weapons as
ordered by the occupation forces and Interim government.

True. My money is that they won't though. Why would they do that when they
are doing so well? I don't think the puppet, sorry "interim" government has
too much credibility in anybody's eyes outside the US!

If you really cared about the loss of life you would spend as much effort
telling the other side to stop shooting as you do blaming the U.S. forces.

I suspect they may not read Usenet!

I am not saying neither you nor the Iraqis should be happy with the
invasion
and occupation, but take a look at what is actually happening there, not
just
the negative news.

Fair point. If at any time the US invasion force does something I approve
of, I'll let you know.