At 21:39 20 September 2018, Dan Daly wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, Paul T wrote:
At 19:09 20 September 2018, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 11:00:08 AM UTC-7, Paul T
wrote:
At 13:31 20 September 2018, kirk.stant wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 6:00:07 PM UTC-5, Paul T
wrote:
Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a
fairly
simpl=3D
e
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question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?
Assuming you are British - do a search of BGA's excellent
magazine; a=20
few
y=3D
ears ago there was an article about a student who basically
soloed
in 5
fli=3D
ghts by using Condor to prepare.=3D20
I believe the French CNVV has developed a full-up Condor
(w/cockpit=20
and
big=3D
screens) glider simulator for use by French glider clubs.
Our own gliding club (St Louis Soaring Association) in the US is
in
the
pro=3D
cess of building up a Condor sim with realistic flight controls
and
multipl=3D
e big screens.
Any simulator is just a training tool (Condor is technically an
Aircrew
Tra=3D
ining Device in the lingo of the flight simulation industry) and
it's
effec=3D
tiveness is driven by how it is used. Since the cockpit of a
glider
is
not
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the best classroom, used properly Condor can be a great help
to
the
learnin=3D
g process. Learn it in the sim, practice it in the glider.
Kirk
(been using sims for training for almost 50 years now...yikes!)
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You ask a simple question on here and get slaughtered - I asked
a=20
simple question of someone who uses this method as a business
,
what=20
is typically the time saved using this method-its it really such a
difficult=20
question to answer? Why can't htat be answered on a public
forum -
=20
some kind of big secret or something?
If you want to ask a simple question, might I suggest you do it
without
an
=
accusatory tone. Writers including myself have given you plenty
antidotal
"=
evidence" of simulation training as a good learning tool. I was
required
b=
y my insurance to attend Flight Safety for yearly simulation
training in
a
=
complex aircraft I have flown. Could be Scott runs a small
operation,
cater=
ing to glider pilots, and has not funded a multi-part double blind
study
la=
rge enough for a statically valid result, to see if 1) Condor
simulation
re=
duces time to ticket for; a) ab initio student; b) for licensed power
pilot=
s transitioning; c) rusty returning pilots; d) currency=E2=80=A6..
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Simulation training has been around and proven since the Link
trainer
in
th=
e big one, that is WWII. Don't blame Scott or the newsgroup for
calling
yo=
u out on your behavior! For the most part we have a great group
that
are
he=
lpful to one another and many members are the most respected
members of
our=
sport internationally. If you truly wanted to know you would have
taken
S=
cott up on his offer to communication directly.
Yeah at great expense to myself, sorry but I cannot afford to make
transantlantic telephone calls - there was no accusatory tone - asked
a
simple question that's all - dont see why that can't be answered.
Think
you are getting a bit oversensitiveness and reading things into
things
that aren't there . The guy stated this was his business and made
some
claims in a public forum - I merely asked if he had any evidence for
that
and what the average time saving was - surely a simple answer like'
in
my experience for the 50 students that have used this method - the
average student can save 2 -4 hours on R/L training' would have
answered the question - cannot see why that is so hard to do?
If you wish to know the reason for this - is that I with some friends
are
thinking of establishing a gliding club in Bulgaria - Bulgaria is one
of
the
poorest countries in the EU - we would like to establish a club that
the
a
person on an average income can afford to fly - average incomes are
low
in Bulgaria @ 400euro/month - so any money savings saved in
training
would be beneficial and it may pay to use a simulator in the training
syllabus.
Warning - thread drift. You might consider something like the LAK-
16M
primary trainer. There is a short youtube video at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4oZ8bX9Oo ; aimed at younger
people, but
inexpensive, and looks like a lot of cheap fun.
Thanks for the suggestion we are thinking used Ka2/7, Ka8, K6CR, Pirat,
Bocian, and the like. There are still good ones about at low cost,
probably offer a better price/performance/experience ratio - and there
are quite a few disused 5-8000ft runways about in Bulgaria - car tows or
simple reverse pulley would be the way to go. Maybe a bungy for
mountain expeditions!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClL...O4uQXyA/videos
gives you an idea of some of the conditions and scenery encountered.