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Old November 20th 09, 07:01 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default DIA on China's new fighter

On Nov 19, 9:07*pm, PaPa Peng wrote:
The officer said that significantly reducing the new aircraft's radar
cross-section will require more than stealth outer coatings. New
integrated design and shaping as well as coatings are needed, the
officer was quoted as saying in the magazine's Nov. 13 article on the
new Chinese jet.


Been away from this group for some time. *Question. *Dogfighting has
no place in modern aerial combat. * Presumably long before the enemy
comes within visual range onboard sensors would have decteted the
opponent and high performance guided missiles fired. *No one gets near
enough to fire his guns. *So what is the advantage in super
maneuverability in the design specs of the plane? *In all the videos I
have seen where the pilot tries to demonstrate the superior
performance of his aircraft nothing the pilot had done could possibly
escape a locked-on missile.

The second question is on stealth. *Again you don't want to come
within shooting range of the enemy. *Dive bombing a well defenced
target is sucidal. *Against defenseless third world countries any old
ordinary plane can do the job. So against a well defended target one
tries to launch the munition from as far away as possible. *Once the
munition is launched the plane reveals it location and has to scramble
out of the way. *Its pointless to hang around anyway since the mission
is already (launch the munition) and you don't want to risk a
multimillion dollar plane and the pilot.

Therefore what critical advantages do stealth and high maneuverablity
confer to 5th generation aircraft to justify the cost, long
development times and technical complexity.


Ever think their probable adversary would have US supplied weapons?
Like to dogfight, have stealth and turn inside your turn? Start saying
you don't need to dogfight and people like Yeager and any hot fighter
pilot are going to turn you into a smoking hole in the ground.

Do some reading. ECM does wonders against a missile lock on.

The key in air combat is not only a great set of technology and tools
but a lot of training and knowledge about your adversary and how to
beat their weaknesses. They can't handle 2v1? That's how you hit them.
Can't fight down in the dirt? Get them there. Have a problem at high
altitude you can go after, get them there. Tend to rely on ground
control or high tech gadgets? That's a weakness. Use the same tactics
day after day at the same time? They're toast. You get the drift. You
force them to go where they're weak.