"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Mike Murdock" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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And let us be clear he stalls were a factor in a large percentage
of
the
Cirrus accidents so far.
I have information on 35 Cirrus accidents and incidents.
The NTSB has information on only 18. Leaving out the latest three, two of
which may have involved stalls:
3/23/99 Cirrus stalls when aileron malfunctions
This was a Cirrus test pilot in an experimental plane. He crashed
attempting to land with a jammed aileron. The NTSB report mentions a stall
only in that the pilot was doing stalls (not uncommon for a test pilot) 10
seconds before he reported an emergency.
1/8/00 lost power in cruise, forced landing in field, no injuries. See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
10/15/00 While landing, right seat passenger hit the brakes. Plane departed
the runway and hit a sign. See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
4/5/01 Bounced landing, left runway, sheared off nose wheel. Pilot time in
type was 35 hours. Note that bounced landings in these planes are generally
due to too-high approach speeds. See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
4/10/01 CFIT
See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...23X00798&key=1
6/16/01 Bounced landing. The report notices that the Cirrus has had eight
of
these previously.
Pilot had just picked up her airplane and received factory training. One of
the reasons Cirrus fired their training contractor and ended up hiring the
Universityof North Dakota. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...20X01213&key=1
8/4/01 A pilot with 25 hours of Cirrus time hit a runway marker while
taxiing. See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
8/19/01 Bad fuel management.
See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...22X01754&key=1
9/19/01 Improper servicing; low oil.
The mechanic didn't safety wire the oil plug, and it was lost in flight.
See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...21X01977&key=1
9/29/01 Hard landing during a training flight when an instructor (training
another instructor) pulled power during takeoff. An acquaintance of mine
purchased this plane from the insurance company after the accident and did
the repairs himself, including repairing the wing spar where the fence had
damaged it. I've flown this plane after the repairs and it flies very well.
See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
11/9/01 After a catastrophic engine failure, the pilot deadsticked the plane
in. No injuries. See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
3/16/02 Instrument failure, pilot disorientation
This is the incident where they attempted to use the chute and it didn't
deploy. They landed in a field and hit a tree, no injuries. After this,
there was an AD for changing the chute deployment system. No online report
found.
4/23/02 Brake failed during taxi, hit parked plane. See
http://www.cirruspilots.org/cgi-bin/...s&Number=39792
4/24/02 Stall/spin
Apparently doing acrobatics despite placards prohibiting them. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...02X00613&key=1
5/11/02 Pilot lost control on landing, landing gear collapsed. See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
5/28/02 CFIT
See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...05X00811&key=1
See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
6/3/02 Wing tip struck parked fuel truck. See
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov:443/pls/n...9G& NARR_VAR=
10/3/02 Improper maintenance, control surface failure
Mechanic did not safety-wire aileron bolt. Pilot pulled chute, received
only minor injures. Plane was repaired and is flying again. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X05290&key=1
10/15/02 Deer strike
See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...29X05397&key=1
11/3/02 CFIT
VFR into IMC. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X05449&key=1
11/11/02 Broken camshaft, deadstick landing, no injuries. Report apparently
not available online.
12/28/02 Defective engine part (connecting rod bolt) caused inflight engine
failure and forced landing. No report available online.
1/18/03 Graveyard spin
The NTSB concluded differently. They estimated his true airspeed at impact
at 191 knots. Doesn't sound like a "graveyard" or any other type of spin to
me. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...22X00087&key=1
1/23/03 CFIT
Collided with power lines during an instrument approach. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...06X00175&key=1
7/12/03 low level maneuvering, stall
It's fair enough to put this one in the stall category. Don't go from 100%
flaps to 0% flaps when you are low and slow. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...18x01151&key=1
7/12/03 nose wheel collapsed on landing. Little other information
available.
8/15/03 stall
The pilot was maneuvering to avoid a helicopter. Sounds like he stalled it.
See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...05X00014&key=1
10/12/03 CFIT
This happened in Spain. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...05X00012&key=1
12/27/03 low level maneuvering, stall
Pilot was doing a simulated ("watch this") forced landing, hit power pole
and guy wire on climbout. I guess hitting the wire would cause the plane to
stall, but it hardly seems fair to put this one in that category. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...05X00007&key=1
1/1/04 Blown tire on landing. No injuries. No info available online.
1/22/04 improper maintenance, brake failure
See
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...29X00128&key=1
4/8/04 Stall/spin over mountains. Parachute saved all onboard. No online
report.
4/10/04: On the first flight after maintenance, loss of instruments in hard
IMC at low altitude. Chute saved pilot, no injuries. Aircraft not heavily
damaged, may fly again. No online report available.
4/20/04: Crashed on departure. Four fatalities. Chute was apparently not
deployed. From witness descriptions (plane went up to about 30 feet AGL,
descended to 10 feet AGL, then zoomed up to 400 feet AGL) seems reasonable
to describe as a stall or stall/spin accident. See
http://www.cirruspilots.org/cgi-bin/...s&Number=85720
It appears that stalls are an unreasonably large percentage of accidents,
While I think that any number over zero is unreasonably large, I'll bet
you'd find approximately the same percentage for other airplanes.
especially for a plane that was billed as stall-proof.
Whoa! Who said that? Please provide some evidence that Cirrus EVER said
this. If they represent the plane as stall-proof, why are stalls a part of
the factory flight training curriculum?
CFIT seems to be the
biggest problem in the Cirrus, which would seem to support the
"doctor-killer" theory. Maintenance is also a real problem area.
Although it does not show up directly in the NTSB database, it appears
that
bounced landings resulting in prop and tail strikes are a problem, though
not a deadly one. I don't know how many of the bounced landings were
caused
by stalls.
Yup. That was much more of a problem early on, due to poor instruction
during factory training. Several of the prop/tail strikes occurred during
factory training. Cirrus fired the contractor doing the training and the
problem has greatly diminished.
-Mike