Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
news:1128008552.97305@sj-nntpcache-3...

The controller's permission doesn't absolve you of the requirement to
follow the FARs.



What FAR states when a procedure turn is required?

Point taken, Mr. Socrates.




You could ask for a vector.



A vector to where? The FAC? Aren't you already on it?

A vector to the FAC. The poster to whom I responded didn't say whether he was
aligned on the FAC. He just suggested that one could ask the controller's
permission to skip the PT. I suggested that one could instead ask for a VTF, so
that the condition for skipping the PT would be met.