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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
This story just gets more and more bizarre... based on the evidence
I've seen reported so far, it certainly sounds to me like the Brazilian air traffic control system itself is solely to blame for this accident. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html -- Guy |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
"Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message ps.com... This story just gets more and more bizarre... based on the evidence I've seen reported so far, it certainly sounds to me like the Brazilian air traffic control system itself is solely to blame for this accident. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html -- Guy If these guys go back to Brazil they are idiots. It's pretty obvious they are being scapegoated and there is no reason to believe they would receive a fair trial. I have to wonder though if the folks in charge down there really don't want or expect them to stand trial. Seeing how they have been kept in county since September 29th and they let them leave AFTER they formally charge them. |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
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Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote: If these guys go back to Brazil they are idiots. It's pretty obvious they are being scapegoated and there is no reason to believe they would receive a fair trial. I have to wonder though if the folks in charge down there really don't want or expect them to stand trial. Seeing how they have been kept in county since September 29th and they let them leave AFTER they formally charge them. The one 'good' thing is that this is an international incident. If it had been Brazilian pilots on the bizjet, they'd probably be in jail right now. One thing I still haven't heard a good answer for is the status of the transponders and TCAS systems on both aircraft. The early press had lots of speculation that the bizjet turned off their transponder, but I haven't heard any credible reports of that. John -- John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/ |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
Greg Farris wrote: I don't know how things work in Brazil. It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well. One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so. I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!! Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country.... http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for U.S. citizens in the U.S.. -Robert |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
Gig 601XL Builder wrote: "Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message ps.com... This story just gets more and more bizarre... based on the evidence I've seen reported so far, it certainly sounds to me like the Brazilian air traffic control system itself is solely to blame for this accident. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html -- Guy If these guys go back to Brazil they are idiots. It's pretty obvious they are being scapegoated and there is no reason to believe they would receive a fair trial. Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country.... http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for U.S. citizens in the U.S.. -Robert |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
Greg Farris wrote: In article .com, says... (again) Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country.... http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for U.S. citizens in the U.S.. Posting it repeatedly does not really enhance the pertinence of this analogy. No, but it does show how screwed up the deja server is today. -Robert |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
Greg Farris wrote: In article .com, says... I think the US pilots were given a one-way exit visa, and are not expected to return. Probably not expected to return by us but it sounds like Brazil expects them to return... http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html "Joseph Lepore, 42, of Bay Shore, and Jan Paladino, 34, Westhampton Beach, were questioned by police for six hours and then were allowed to pick up their passports and leave the country, but they are required to return for their trial." However, that doesn't mean they are safe in the U.S. They could still be forced to return to Brazil. Depends highly on politics. -Robert |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
Greg Farris wrote: I don't know how things work in Brazil. It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well. One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so. I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!! Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country.... http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for U.S. citizens in the U.S.. -Robert |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
Robert M. Gary wrote: Greg Farris wrote: I don't know how things work in Brazil. It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well. One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so. I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!! Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country.... http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for U.S. citizens in the U.S.. -Robert Well, apparently there is no connection between the message "Server error, message not possed, try again in 30 seconds" and the message actually posting. ;( -Robert |
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American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash
I hate it when that happens !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert M. Gary wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: Greg Farris wrote: I don't know how things work in Brazil. It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well. One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so. I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!! Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country.... http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for U.S. citizens in the U.S.. -Robert Well, apparently there is no connection between the message "Server error, message not possed, try again in 30 seconds" and the message actually posting. ;( -Robert |
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