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Typical speeds on a low altitude flight?
I saw this video of some Swiss Airforce Mirages playing about between mountains and lakes and was wondering about that the typical speed would be for such manoeuvres? Regards... |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:00:31 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote: I saw this video of some Swiss Airforce Mirages playing about between mountains and lakes and was wondering about that the typical speed would be for such manoeuvres? Depends upon the tactical mission. If the mission were air/air, then the speed would be something a little bit above corner velocity for the aircraft (corner is the min indicated airspeed to generate maximum allowable G). If the mission were ground attack with a TOT then it's likely to be a ground speed that is a multiple of 60--that translates quickly into miles/minute for easy navigation calculations. Of course with GPS and continual update nav displays that sort of mental gymnastic is increasingly unnecessary. Then revert to first speed--just above corner. All that means the Mirages were probably running around in the 400-450 knot range. "Dancing the sky on laughter-silvered wings...." Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" Both from Smithsonian Books ***www.thunderchief.org |
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I saw this video of some Swiss Airforce Mirages playing about between mountains and lakes and was wondering about that the typical speed would be for such manoeuvres? When I see an A-10 Warthog at 2,500 feet, my eyeballs swivel for his partner (they always seem to travel in paris) on the assumption that he is making 250 knots. (Or perhaps "she". I wonder if I have ever encountered Killer Chick on her Warthoggy rounds?) all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com |
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:54:06 -0600, Ed Rasimus
wrote: If the mission were ground attack with a TOT then it's likely to be a ground speed that is a multiple of 60--that translates quickly into miles/minute for easy navigation calculations. It has always pleased me that with INS and all that stuff, that tactical pilots use the identical groundspeed/distance measure that I do. The only difference is that I don't need to multiply My other bit of pilotage is the two-knuckle rule: the outside knuckles on my index and middle fingers = ten nautical miles = six minutes. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com |
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Cub Driver writes: I saw this video of some Swiss Airforce Mirages playing about between mountains and lakes and was wondering about that the typical speed would be for such manoeuvres? When I see an A-10 Warthog at 2,500 feet, my eyeballs swivel for his partner (they always seem to travel in paris) on the assumption that he is making 250 knots. Tactical aircraft are like Nuns - they always travel in pairs. If you're out at dusk, and you see a set of flashing Nav Lights - (Not the blinking beacons, but the Red/Green/White wingtip & aft lights, look ahead for another with his/her lights on Steady Dim. You'll generally see the wingman first, but it's good to know where the lead is, too. (Or perhaps "she". I wonder if I have ever encountered Killer Chick on her Warthoggy rounds?) I was just up under Yankee 2 last week. There seemed to be an inordinate number of F-16s. Usually it's A-18s adn Marine Reserve F-18s. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:15:08 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote: I saw this video of some Swiss Airforce Mirages playing about between mountains and lakes and was wondering about that the typical speed would be for such manoeuvres? When I see an A-10 Warthog at 2,500 feet, my eyeballs swivel for his partner (they always seem to travel in paris) on the assumption that he is making 250 knots. Excellent observation. Tactical aircraft (much like the Guardia Civil in Spain) are never alone. And, as I've repeated so often in this forum, that very basic fact complicates all discussions of which aircraft is "superior" in a dog-fight. (Or perhaps "she". I wonder if I have ever encountered Killer Chick on her Warthoggy rounds?) If not KC, then there's probably about a 1-in-5 chance that one of the pair is female. Right now I'm pondering my next book project and am seriously into initial planning for an oral history compilation of the integration and acceptance of women in the tactical aviation community. One source started as an F-15E WSO with combat in Kosovo, now has gone through pilot training and is driving Vipers in my old squadron, the 421st TFS at Hill AFB. She is highly regarded by a lot of the male chauvinist pigs in the profession. Another former F-15E WSO is married to a Mud Hen front seater and both are stationed outside my back door at USAFA. They flew in Desert Storm--he has told me that almost one third of his missions were flown with a "wing-woman." I think the story hasn't yet been told and there would be a lot of interest. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" Both from Smithsonian Books ***www.thunderchief.org |
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