Questions about diamond distance.

I have been looking at a ridge on google earth that I've heard many
glider pilots in east tennessee use. It starts in Jasper, TN and goes
northeast for about 100 kilometers.

If I run this ridge out and back twice will that count for the 300K
diamond "declared" distance?

What if I do 3 out and backs? Will that count for the 500K diamond
distance?

What about 5 out and backs....1000K....does that count?


Scott

On Oct 6, 3:30*pm, Scott Alexander
wrote:
I have been looking at a ridge on google earth that I've heard many
glider pilots in east tennessee use. *It starts in Jasper, TN and goes
northeast for about 100 kilometers.

If I run this ridge out and back twice will that count for the 300K
diamond "declared" distance?

What if I do 3 out and backs? *Will that count for the 500K diamond
distance?

What about 5 out and backs....1000K....does that count?

Scott

call me on Thurs or Friday and I can explain the turnpoints you need
to use for 300k and 500k

On Oct 6, 2:30*pm, Scott Alexander
wrote:
I have been looking at a ridge on google earth that I've heard many
glider pilots in east tennessee use. *It starts in Jasper, TN and goes
northeast for about 100 kilometers.

If I run this ridge out and back twice will that count for the 300K
diamond "declared" distance?

What if I do 3 out and backs? *Will that count for the 500K diamond
distance?

What about 5 out and backs....1000K....does that count?

Scott

Sorry,

Maximum of three turn points plus the the start and finish. If memory
serves me correctly they must also be at least 10 km apart. Also the
start/finish can be used as one of the three turn points.

So best you can do is roughly two out and backs.

On Oct 6, 1:30*pm, Scott Alexander
wrote:
I have been looking at a ridge on google earth that I've heard many
glider pilots in east tennessee use. *It starts in Jasper, TN and goes
northeast for about 100 kilometers.

If I run this ridge out and back twice will that count for the 300K
diamond "declared" distance?

What if I do 3 out and backs? *Will that count for the 500K diamond
distance?

What about 5 out and backs....1000K....does that count?

Scott
From the CURRENT FAI Sporting Code:

1.4.1 General
a. A SOARING PERFORMANCE may be claimed from any flight that meets the
requirements of
proof for that performance.
b. A DECLARATION and electronic flight data are required except where
specifically exempt
(4.2 refers).
c. WAY POINTS must be declared and used in the sequence declared,
except where specifically
not required in these rules.
d. No more than three TURN POINTS may be declared and no more than
four LEGS may be
claimed for a SOARING PERFORMANCE.

On Oct 6, 3:30*pm, Scott Alexander
wrote:
I have been looking at a ridge on google earth that I've heard many
glider pilots in east tennessee use. *It starts in Jasper, TN and goes
northeast for about 100 kilometers.

If I run this ridge out and back twice will that count for the 300K
diamond "declared" distance?

What if I do 3 out and backs? *Will that count for the 500K diamond
distance?

What about 5 out and backs....1000K....does that count?

Scott

Scott,

Enjoyed flying with you last month at New Castle. Since you know the
area well, here's how do the Diamond Distance on that ridge, I did:
Start over the airport, run the ridge down to the strip-mine at
Chilhowee, back to the Sheep Shed, down to the I-77 tunnel and back
home. On a good day you can do the trip without circling and in a
little over 3 hours.
This is conforming to the sporting code and kinda fun. However, it's
a YoYo on the ridge and can be too easy to satisfy you totally. If
that's the case, follow up later with a 500k that makes you work some
thermals!

Herb, J7

Welcome to Law school, Scott. Your first semester will be the SSA
badge and record rules. 98% of our students bust out with the rest
becoming Supreme Court Justices or Insurance company CEOs personnel
attorneys.
You'll either be famous or rich. The choice is yours.
Advice....pay close attention to the requirments of your start and
finish points. The flying is easy, it's the t's and i's that will have
you crying for yo mommas milk.
Good luck!
R

Souds good for a distance flight, but I thought the 300k "Goal &
Return" could only use 2 turnpoints.

1.4.1 General
a. A SOARING PERFORMANCE may be claimed from any flight that meets the
requirements of
proof for that performance.
b. A DECLARATION and electronic flight data are required except where
specifically exempt
(4.2 refers).
c. WAY POINTS must be declared and used in the sequence declared,
except where specifically
not required in these rules.
d. No more than three TURN POINTS may be declared and no more than
four LEGS may be
claimed for a SOARING PERFORMANCE.

"Free Flight 107" wrote in message
...
Souds good for a distance flight, but I thought the 300k "Goal &
Return" could only use 2 turnpoints.

On Oct 7, 5:35*pm, "BT" wrote:
1.4.1 General
a. A SOARING PERFORMANCE may be claimed from any flight that meets the
requirements of
proof for that performance.
b. A DECLARATION and electronic flight data are required except where
specifically exempt
(4.2 refers).
c. WAY POINTS must be declared and used in the sequence declared,
except where specifically
not required in these rules.
d. No more than three TURN POINTS may be declared and no more than
four LEGS may be
claimed for a SOARING PERFORMANCE.

"Free Flight 107" wrote in ...

Souds good for a distance flight, but I thought the 300k "Goal &
Return" could only use 2 turnpoints.



Well blindly quoting stuff like that is an answer to some question,
just maybe not this one.

The 500km diamond is a *distance* flight and the 300km diamond is a
*goal* flight. So which one is it? A diamond goal flight is an O&R or
two or three turnpoint triangle. The stuff quoted above is the most
general requirements for a flight performance. In the case of a goal
flight like the 300km diamond goal there are more stringent
requirements.

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This stuff is not rocket science. Take a break. Sit down and read the
sporting code properly. The way to read it on first pass is not
sequential, but look up a definition like diamond goal and then read
all the mentioned paragraphs refereed to in the definition and then
read the paragraphs referred to in those paragraphs and piece this
together and understand it until you fully parse the tree. Repeat
until you get it. Then go read the thing sequentially to make sure
you've not missed anything. Seriously, if your IQ is above room
temperature you can do this in a few hours of effort, much better than
the endless frustration of screwing up flights because you did not
understand the rules. I find all the other guides and forms and things
that are intended to help often either confuse things more or are
outright misleading and/or leave out critical things. Focus on reading
and understanding the actual rules (FAI Sporting Code Section 3 -
http://www.fai.org/gliding/sc3).

For the goal flight pay particular attention to making the flight a
closed flight, i.e. your actual start point and actual finish point
must be within 1,000m of each other. You cannot start and finish
anywhere you want within an FAI start and finish sector, they have to
be within 1,000m of each other. The new wording of the sporting code
tries to make this clearer.

Have fun.

(And to the other poster, it's the FAI not the SSA setting the
rules... (well except for the SSA badges))


Darryl

U¿ytkownik Scott Alexander napisa³:

If I run this ridge out and back twice will that count for the 300K
diamond "declared" distance?
No, diamond 300km is a closed course with maximum 2 turnpoints.

What if I do 3 out and backs? Will that count for the 500K diamond
distance?
Also not, diamond 500km have a maximum of 3 TPs, so you could only do
400km on a 100km ridge.

You can only claim "golden 300km" here - 3 TPs allowed, does not have to
be closed.

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