2-33 Wanted

New club forming and needs a 2-33

Please call 972-754-1893

Jim Callaway

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 5:45:11 AM UTC+12, wrote:
New club forming and needs a 2-33

Noooooooo.

35 or 40 year old Grob twins are pretty cheap at this point, and infinitely better.

Agreed! ANYTHING but a 2-33!

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 3:44:42 PM UTC-4, Fox Two wrote:
Agreed! ANYTHING but a 2-33!

Ever note how many 2-33's stay for sale very long?
Or even how many show up for sale.
Reason- They are working and keep on working.
We operate 2-33's in our club and they fly pretty much all day.
The alternative of a Grob twin that is 35 years old and likely will need a refinish is not quite as attractive as one might think, especially at twice the cost.
UH

Ever note how many 2-33's stay for sale very long?
Or even how many show up for sale.

- Ever wondered how many people turned away from joining clubs and away from soaring because they weren't interested in muscle-fliers? I know a few...

GK

Ever wondered why "basic learners" dropped out of soaring because they, "learned in glass" but didn't want to move to something they could afford or felt like they made a "back step"?
Hmmmmmmm?

Part of why we do primary in a 2-33, solo, then 1-26, then move to 1-34. Yes, at some point the ASK-21 comes in, but fly first, learn to find/use thermals second, move from there.

My perspective since the early '70's, still valid in lots of places in the US today.

Ever note how many 2-33's stay for sale very long? Or even how many show
up for sale.

- Ever wondered how many people turned away from joining clubs and away
from soaring because they weren't interested in muscle-fliers? I know a
few...


Geez, is it winter already in the northern hemisphere? Let the religious wars
begin!

BTW, I don't know the O.P., but as he's a 2-diamond pilot from the mid/late
1970s (SSA member database; I checked), I reckon he's well aware of the pros &
cons of whatever ship he's/they're seeking for a new club startup. Personally,
I hope he finds what he's looking for, and that new club can grow into lasting
health!

Bob W.

P.S. Please send $100, cash preferred, to learn my opinion on club decisions
about which I know pretty much nothing.

On Tuesday, 26 July 2016 11:45:11 UTC-6, wrote:
New club forming and needs a 2-33

Please call 972-754-1893

Jim Callaway

est of luck finding the glider/equipment you need and CONGRATULATIONS on forming a new club. We need more participation in the sport and it begins at the local level

Jim:
Hope you find a nice one. Try the guys at K&L Soaring in Elmira.

Kid goes up to his power pilot father and says, "Dad, I'd like to learn to fly in a J3 Cub". Father says, "That's great, perfect plane to learn on, rugged honest, an great foundation to build on"

Kid goes up to his glider pilot father and says. "Dad I'd like to learn to fly in a 2-33." Father says, "God no!, 60 year old technology! Logy, ugly, and no performance - anything but a 2-33"

I just can't figure it out. Never have. Never will.

Roy (+3000 hours CFIG, +65,000 XC kms, soloed on a 2-22)

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 6:35:45 AM UTC+12, Roy B. wrote:
Jim:
Hope you find a nice one. Try the guys at K&L Soaring in Elmira.

Kid goes up to his power pilot father and says, "Dad, I'd like to learn to fly in a J3 Cub". Father says, "That's great, perfect plane to learn on, rugged honest, an great foundation to build on"

Kid goes up to his glider pilot father and says. "Dad I'd like to learn to fly in a 2-33." Father says, "God no!, 60 year old technology! Logy, ugly, and no performance - anything but a 2-33"

I just can't figure it out. Never have. Never will.

Roy (+3000 hours CFIG, +65,000 XC kms, soloed on a 2-22)

Design age is hardly the sole criteria. The 2-33 is from about 1965. So is the ASK-13, a vastly better sailplane. The Ka-7 and L-13 are 5 - 10 years older again, and also much better than the 2-33.

Once the L-13 spar has been fixed anyway, though I don't think any failed in non Red Bull use? Can you even imagine a high profile extreme sports sponsor using the 2-33 for an aerobatic display team? I thought not.

(apologies for any beverages that may have just been forcibly expelled on to keyboards)

I've never flown a J3 but I've done a number of circuits and a little bit of cross country (as student pilot) and back country (as pax) in 150 and 180 cubs. And a couple of times in Tiger Moths, for that matter. Superb aircraft, both, and remembered and loved many decades after their contemporaries have been scrapped and forgotten for good reason.

Show me an apron with a Cub, a C152, and a Tomahawk and suggest we go for a fly ... it's not even close ... I'll take the Cub any day. Same cruise speed, far shorter takeoff and better climb rate and angle. Just way more fun. There's no downside. (ok, maybe fuel burn)