GPS Approach Equipment Suffix

I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
I'd try here.

Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
/G or /R?

Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I could
find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
"Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be filing
/R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing /G?

The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the Preferred
Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways routes
can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going to
Bangor, ME this weekend.

Apologies for the cross post.

Thanks,

Marco Leon



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I have been given GPS approaches when filed /G

Mike
MU-2


"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...
I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
I'd try here.

Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
/G or /R?

Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
could
find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
"Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
filing
/R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
/G?

The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
Preferred
Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
routes
can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going
to
Bangor, ME this weekend.

Apologies for the cross post.

Thanks,

Marco Leon



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Marco Leon wrote:
I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
I'd try here.

Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
/G or /R?

Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I could
find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
"Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be filing
/R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing /G?

It's a failing of the FAA. You are a /G.


The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the Preferred
Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways routes
can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY."


WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
shocked.

"Newps" wrote in message
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WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
shocked.

Uh oh, here we go again...

Marco Leon

"Newps" wrote

WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
shocked.

I wasn't aware that Garmin was making a handheld version of the Garmin
GNS430.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote

WHAT???? You mean you can't use a handheld and get cleared direct? I'm
shocked.

I wasn't aware that Garmin was making a handheld version of the Garmin
GNS430.

Jim, go to the rec.aviation.ifr group and check out the thread titled "IFR
with a VFR GPS" posted on 11/08/05. You'll quickly realize it was a
tongue-in-cheek post.

Marco Leon


--
Jim in NC




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"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
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Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
/G or /R?

Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
could
find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
"Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
filing
/R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
/G?

The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
Preferred
Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
routes
can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going
to
Bangor, ME this weekend.


/G and /R are both for advanced RNAV with transponder and Mode C encoder.
/G is for GPS with en route and terminal capability. /R is for aircraft
that meet the prescribed Required Navigational Performance for the route or
area concerned. If your aircraft met /R standards I'm pretty sure you'd be
aware of it. /G was formerly used for GPS with en route, terminal, and
approach capability but the approach distinction was dropped a few years
ago. File /G.

"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...
I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
I'd try here.

Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to file
/G or /R?

Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
could
find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not mention
"Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
filing
/R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS or
RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
/G?

The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
Preferred
Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
routes
can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant to
file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes going
to
Bangor, ME this weekend.

I used to fly a P-Baron with a GNS 430 (you have one of the data cards out
of it , filed /G and was given GPS approaches all the time. Maybe a
controller here can clear that up for us (or your "friend").

Allen

Hey Allen. Thanks to you and to the others for replying. I'll file /G like I
normally do as per everyone's response.

P.S. I found my datacard between the cushions of my couch about 2 weeks
after I bought yours. Oh well.

Marco Leon

"Allen" wrote in message
news

"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...
I posted this over at the IFR group but I had only one reply so I figured
I'd try here.

Question: Are folks with IFR Approach-certified GPS boxes supposed to
file
/G or /R?

Before you answer consider that the AIM (and every other publication I
could
find) define /G suffixes for Enroute and Terminal and it does not
mention
"Approach." I've been filing /G with a Garmin GNS430 installation and I
initially scoffed at the notion when a pilot friend said I should be
filing
/R. When he asked if I ever noticed that I've never been assigned a GPS
or
RNAV approach when filing /G, I really couldn't remember if I have. Can
anyone else out there confirm being assigned a GPS approach when filing
/G?

The other thing that's throwing a wrench into my logic is that the
Preferred
Routes database on the FAA's website stipulates that some off-airways
routes
can only be filed/cleared when filing "/E, /F, /G ONLY." I'm reluctant
to
file the /R because I'd like to get cleared for one of these routes
going
to
Bangor, ME this weekend.

I used to fly a P-Baron with a GNS 430 (you have one of the data cards out
of it , filed /G and was given GPS approaches all the time. Maybe a
controller here can clear that up for us (or your "friend").

Allen

Allen wrote:



I used to fly a P-Baron with a GNS 430 (you have one of the data cards out
of it , filed /G and was given GPS approaches all the time. Maybe a
controller here can clear that up for us (or your "friend").

Your sentence makes no sense.