Cost of IGC approved loggers

Are IGC approved loggers too expensive? What is there cost point
compared to a Barograph and camera setup? I.E. The cost of a Colibri
logger compared to the cost of an approved Barograph (in 2008
dollars). I don't know the cost of a barograph 20 years ago (in there
heyday) but they could not have been cheap.

Also, are clubs and individuals making loggers available to newer
pilots for badge flights as barographs were?

Just some pondering.

Bob

On Feb 11, 4:12*am, "
wrote:
Are IGC approved loggers too expensive? What is there cost point
compared to a Barograph and camera setup? I.E. The cost of a Colibri
logger compared to the cost of an approved Barograph (in 2008
dollars). I don't know the cost of a barograph 20 years ago (in there
heyday) but they could not have been cheap.

Also, are clubs and individuals making loggers available to newer
pilots for badge flights as barographs were?

Just some pondering.

Bob

Of course they are too expensive!

Our club took up doantions and bought a EW Avionics Microrecorder.
About $800.

http://www.ewuk.co.uk/

It is very compact, portable, and very easy to use. Anyone in the club
is welcome to use it.

/Adam

A used, good condition Replogle Barograph can be bought for under 250 USD.
Two Cameras--200 USD.
Homemade camera mount--15 USD
Barograph paper, film and processing all cost--??10 USD per flight.
Recalibration annually 35 USD as opposed to every two years for approved
logger.

If you ask around, someone might have the barographs and cameras they will
give you--maybe---if you are lucky.

Turnpoint photography is tricky and sometimes dangerous. Shoot a bunch of
pictures and have an old-timer look at them before you count on it.

Our club has a old model Volkslogger available for use--Quirky; and a B
model EW --even quirkier (is that a word?)
Most members have not even read the manual--on the website.

--
Hartley Falbaum
MGSA-Georgia, USA

"Adam" wrote in message
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On Feb 11, 4:12 am, "
wrote:
Are IGC approved loggers too expensive? What is there cost point
compared to a Barograph and camera setup? I.E. The cost of a Colibri
logger compared to the cost of an approved Barograph (in 2008
dollars). I don't know the cost of a barograph 20 years ago (in there
heyday) but they could not have been cheap.

Also, are clubs and individuals making loggers available to newer
pilots for badge flights as barographs were?

Just some pondering.

Bob

Of course they are too expensive!

Our club took up doantions and bought a EW Avionics Microrecorder.
About $800.

http://www.ewuk.co.uk/

It is very compact, portable, and very easy to use. Anyone in the club
is welcome to use it.

/Adam

A couple of points:

1. IGC really hates it when you call these things "loggers." They
prefer "Flight Recorders."

2. In a couple of weeks, they will vote on eliminating cameras and
barographs from the Sporting Code.

-Pat

Ok, slight misunderstanding in my original post. I wanted to compare
the cost of a "flight recorder" now to a barograph then using 2008
dolar values. What was the cost of a new Barograph 20 years ago? Haw
does it compare to a Colibri, ect. in todays dollars? Is the entry
cost so much different? I'm only talking about the cheapest IGC
approved recorder solution.

Bob

On Feb 11, 2:43*pm, "HL Falbaum" wrote:
A used, good condition Replogle Barograph can be bought for under 250 USD.
Two Cameras--200 USD.
snip

That sounds expensive for two second hand 35mm cameras with pretty
basic requirements - a tripod screw thread (for ease of mounting), and
auto wind-on. Is b&w film acceptable? If so a developing drum is
cheap again of Ebay.

However I can't think of a single reason I'd want to do it that way.
If nothing else looking at the trace from a flight recorder can be
very interesting, though I conceed that if you are not bothered about
it being valid for claiming badges, just about any Garmin GPS can be
plugged into a PDA running free software giving a cheap way of
recording flights. My club provides barographs (EW-B) for all club
single-seat gliders which does for Bronze (if not done by direct
observation) and Silver badges.

On Feb 11, 7:29*am, Cats wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:43*pm, "HL Falbaum" wrote: A used, good condition Replogle Barograph can be bought for under 250 USD.
Two Cameras--200 USD.

snip

That sounds expensive for two second hand 35mm cameras with pretty
basic requirements - a tripod screw thread (for ease of mounting), and
auto wind-on. *Is b&w film acceptable? *If so a developing drum is
cheap again of Ebay.

However I can't think of a single reason I'd want to do it that way.
If nothing else looking at the trace from a flight recorder can be
very interesting, though I conceed that if you are not bothered about
it being valid for claiming badges, just about any Garmin GPS can be
plugged into a PDA running free software giving a cheap way of
recording flights. *My club provides barographs (EW-B) for all club
single-seat gliders which does for Bronze (if not done by direct
observation) and Silver badges.

The Willamette Valley Soaring Club has an older Colibri available to
any member to use. We also have a number of Palm/GPS setups in the
club that are used for "recording" flights. In several cases the Palm
units are cliped to a GPS unit that clips directly to the unit and
also provides power for the Palm. Very convenient and easy to move
between gliders.

On Feb 11, 7:43*am, SoaringXCellence wrote:
On Feb 11, 7:29*am, Cats wrote:





On Feb 11, 2:43*pm, "HL Falbaum" wrote: A used, good condition Replogle Barograph can be bought for under 250 USD.
Two Cameras--200 USD.

snip

That sounds expensive for two second hand 35mm cameras with pretty
basic requirements - a tripod screw thread (for ease of mounting), and
auto wind-on. *Is b&w film acceptable? *If so a developing drum is
cheap again of Ebay.

However I can't think of a single reason I'd want to do it that way.
If nothing else looking at the trace from a flight recorder can be
very interesting, though I conceed that if you are not bothered about
it being valid for claiming badges, just about any Garmin GPS can be
plugged into a PDA running free software giving a cheap way of
recording flights. *My club provides barographs (EW-B) for all club
single-seat gliders which does for Bronze (if not done by direct
observation) and Silver badges.

The Willamette Valley Soaring Club has an older Colibri available to
any member to use. *We also have a number of Palm/GPS setups in the
club that are used for "recording" flights. *In several cases the Palm
units are cliped to a GPS unit that clips directly to the unit and
also provides power for the Palm. *Very convenient and easy to move
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By the way. Thos Palm GPS units can be put together for under $200
and you'll not only have a logger but a flight computer as well.

By the way. *Thos Palm GPS units can be put together for under $200
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.... And those are fine for the OLC, but for badge work, you'll still
need an IGC Certified Flight Recorder. Minimum price I've seen is
$750. None of which answers the original question, but I suspect the
costs adjusted for inflation are very close. It should also be
mentioned that there are dozens of ways to mess up a badge attempt
using a Baro and camera, that just aren't an issue with a CFR.

Oh?

What about those contest pilots who have lost whole
days because they screwed up using a CFR?

At 16:06 11 February 2008,
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By the way. =A0Thos Palm GPS units can be put together
for under $200
and you'll not only have a logger but a flight computer
as well.- Hide quo=
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=2E... And those are fine for the OLC, but for badge
work, you'll still
need an IGC Certified Flight Recorder. Minimum price
I've seen is
$750. None of which answers the original question,
but I suspect the
costs adjusted for inflation are very close. It should
also be
mentioned that there are dozens of ways to mess up
a badge attempt
using a Baro and camera, that just aren't an issue
with a CFR.