Interesting "ILS or RNAV" procedure

Hadn't seen one of these before, but it's an ILS procedure that requires
GPS for the Initials, Intermediates, non-precision FAF, and missed
approach. Of course if you don't have ILS, no problem, just fly the RNAV
(GPS).
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0610/00471IZR23R.PDF

JPH

JPH wrote:
Hadn't seen one of these before, but it's an ILS procedure that requires
GPS for the Initials, Intermediates, non-precision FAF, and missed
approach. Of course if you don't have ILS, no problem, just fly the RNAV
(GPS).
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0610/00471IZR23R.PDF

JPH


It's a Navy procedure. They do weird things like combining ILS and
TACAN procedures on the same chart. I guess the fighter guys don't
like FLIPping (pun intended) through several pages of charts for
different procedures to the same field.

You won't see this in a procedure developed by the FAA. By the way, if
you don't have GPS capability for this approach, just fly the 'Y'
procedure.

Brad

JPH wrote:
Hadn't seen one of these before, but it's an ILS procedure that requires
GPS for the Initials, Intermediates, non-precision FAF, and missed
approach. Of course if you don't have ILS, no problem, just fly the RNAV
(GPS).
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0610/00471IZR23R.PDF

JPH
My hair is too long to fly that approach.

Brad wrote:


You won't see this in a procedure developed by the FAA. By the way, if
you don't have GPS capability for this approach, just fly the 'Y'
procedure.

Huh? There are no identifiable IAF's if you don't have GPS.

The plate specifically says GPS required.

Ron Natalie wrote:
Brad wrote:


You won't see this in a procedure developed by the FAA. By the way, if
you don't have GPS capability for this approach, just fly the 'Y'
procedure.

Huh? There are no identifiable IAF's if you don't have GPS.

The plate specifically says GPS required.

Sorry, Ron. I should have been more specific...the 'ILS Y or LOC/DME
23R' procedure, on a different chart...

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0610/00471IYLD23R.PDF

GLide slope needle starts down?


Karl


"Mitty" wrote in message
...
Hmm... where do you intercept the glide slope? WASEB? And how would you
know that?

On 9/28/2006 9:31 PM, JPH wrote the following:
Hadn't seen one of these before, but it's an ILS procedure that requires
GPS for the Initials, Intermediates, non-precision FAF, and missed
approach. Of course if you don't have ILS, no problem, just fly the RNAV
(GPS).
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0610/00471IZR23R.PDF

JPH

Hmm... where do you intercept the glide slope? WASEB? And how would you know that?

On 9/28/2006 9:31 PM, JPH wrote the following:
Hadn't seen one of these before, but it's an ILS procedure that requires
GPS for the Initials, Intermediates, non-precision FAF, and missed
approach. Of course if you don't have ILS, no problem, just fly the RNAV
(GPS).
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0610/00471IZR23R.PDF

JPH

Well, yes. There's that. :-) I was thinking more about something on the chart,
like the intercept altitudes that I'm used to seeing.

On 9/29/2006 9:21 AM, karl gruber wrote the following:
GLide slope needle starts down?


Karl


"Mitty" wrote in message
...
Hmm... where do you intercept the glide slope? WASEB? And how would you
know that?

On 9/28/2006 9:31 PM, JPH wrote the following:
Hadn't seen one of these before, but it's an ILS procedure that requires
GPS for the Initials, Intermediates, non-precision FAF, and missed
approach. Of course if you don't have ILS, no problem, just fly the RNAV
(GPS).
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0610/00471IZR23R.PDF

JPH

JPH wrote:
Hadn't seen one of these before, but it's an ILS procedure that requires
GPS for the Initials, Intermediates, non-precision FAF, and missed
approach. Of course if you don't have ILS, no problem, just fly the RNAV
(GPS).

No problem so long as you observe the higher minimums for LNAV.

Brad wrote:


You won't see this in a procedure developed by the FAA.

Brad


I wouldn't say that. Check out the new FAAO 8260.54 Chapter 1, Para 1.0
published in June of this year;
"..... These criteria support RNAV transition to an instrument landing
system (ILS) final approach."
You can download this reg at the following website;
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...ia/8260.54.pdf

JPH