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An American Who Wished Death on Our Servicemembers
Printed in July 11 SF Chronicle letters to the editor, this punk seems
to want our troops to be killed. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...rchive/2003/07 /11/ED272984.DTL Editor -- The constant loss of U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- after the war is "won" -- is a tragedy. However, if this is what it takes to retire the Bush administration at the next election, the sacrifice is justified. ARIE L. BLEICHER Mill Valley Perhaps some kind people can think of something to say to this gentleman. If so, you can reach him at: Arie Bleicher 81 Oakdale Ave Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-383-1177 and 415-383-1178 |
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Michael Wise wrote:
Printed in July 11 SF Chronicle letters to the editor, this punk seems to want our troops to be killed. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...rchive/2003/07 /11/ED272984.DTL Editor -- The constant loss of U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- after the war is "won" -- is a tragedy. However, if this is what it takes to retire the Bush administration at the next election, the sacrifice is justified. ARIE L. BLEICHER Mill Valley Perhaps some kind people can think of something to say to this gentleman. If so, you can reach him at: snip Today's (Sunday) Chronicle printed quite a few replies. Guy |
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Michael Wise wrote in message ...
Printed in July 11 SF Chronicle letters to the editor, this punk seems to want our troops to be killed. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...rchive/2003/07 /11/ED272984.DTL Editor -- The constant loss of U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- after the war is "won" -- is a tragedy. However, if this is what it takes to retire the Bush administration at the next election, the sacrifice is justified. ARIE L. BLEICHER Mill Valley Perhaps some kind people can think of something to say to this gentleman. If so, you can reach him at: Half a million Iraqi babies was deemed to be an acceptable price to contain Saddam Hussian. I am sure all these good people must have been real angry then too. They werent? Oh, well. |
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In article ,
Bill Jameson wrote: Printed in July 11 SF Chronicle letters to the editor, this punk seems to want our troops to be killed. You post the letter writer's address and phone number while posting anonymously? You're a cowardly little ****, Michael Wise! My contact information is available to anybody who knows how to use a search engine and spends a few minutes looking. You're lazy little ****, Bill Jameson. --Mike |
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John Ahlstrom wrote:
Michael Wise wrote: How about: The constant loss of U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- after the war is "won" -- is a tragedy. However, if this is what it takes to bring a free and democratic government to Iraq, the sacrifice is justified. Just out of curiosity, which of the following nations, all of whom have a desperate need for a free and democratic government, is on our list of sacrifices to be made? Saudi Arabia Iran Syria Lebanon Pakistan North Korea China Cuba Egypt Libya plus half or more of the African continent Is it really our national function in life to sacrifice American lives in order to dish up free and democratic governments all over the world, sometimes to people who don't even want it or wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it? If that's what Iraq was really about, we'd be wise to invest our money in mortuary stocks because there's going to be an endless and ongoing supply of business for them from our sacrificial lambs. George Z. |
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Gooneybird wrote:
John Ahlstrom wrote: Michael Wise wrote: How about: The constant loss of U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- after the war is "won" -- is a tragedy. However, if this is what it takes to bring a free and democratic government to Iraq, the sacrifice is justified. Just out of curiosity, which of the following nations, all of whom have a desperate need for a free and democratic government, is on our list of sacrifices to be made? Saudi Arabia Iran Syria Lebanon Pakistan North Korea China Cuba Egypt Libya plus half or more of the African continent Is it really our national function in life to sacrifice American lives in order to dish up free and democratic governments all over the world, sometimes to people who don't even want it or wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it? It could be a very positive national interest item to have one of the most important of Arab Muslim nations a democracy. It could dramatically effect the entire region for the better as far as our national interests go. If that's what Iraq was really about, we'd be wise to invest our money in mortuary stocks because there's going to be an endless and ongoing supply of business for them from our sacrificial lambs. Possibly, but I don't think necessarily so. Jury is still out as to whether resistance to anything American (let alone "Western") is stronger than the benefits of democratic and free market government that takes some patience to implement in the region. I still think the whole exercise was worth a try. SMH |
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Gooneybird wrote: Just out of curiosity, which of the following nations, all of whom have a desperate need for a free and democratic government, is on our list of sacrifices to be made? Saudi Arabia Iran Syria Lebanon Pakistan North Korea China Cuba Egypt Libya plus half or more of the African continent Is it really our national function in life to sacrifice American lives in order to dish up free and democratic governments all over the world, sometimes to people who don't even want it or wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it? If that's what Iraq was really about, we'd be wise to invest our money in mortuary stocks because there's going to be an endless and ongoing supply of business for them from our sacrificial lambs. George Z. ****General Comment In the late 50s and the 60s there was a lot of discussion about the US as a World Policeman. As far as I remember the discussion was almost always in terms of whether the US COULD be policeman, not whether it SHOULD be policeman. Any one else remember these discussions? If that was the nature of the discussions then, when did it change? ***Comment on which countries are on our list. Someone (Kissinger?) said that US foreign policy is most effective when it serves both our national interest and our moral mission. That is both oil and regime change. Given that Saudi Arabia - No: too much hard geography Iran ditto Syria Yes: zero oil score but huge democracy score Lebanon ditto Pakistan No: too much geography and population North Korea No: too close to S Korea, can do too much damage China No: too much geography and population Cuba No: not worth it Egypt No: Too much geography and population Libya Yes: Just right size and population plus half or more of the African continent -- On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. |
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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... Gooneybird wrote: (Snip) Is it really our national function in life to sacrifice American lives in order to dish up free and democratic governments all over the world, sometimes to people who don't even want it or wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it? It could be a very positive national interest item to have one of the most important of Arab Muslim nations a democracy. It could dramatically effect the entire region for the better as far as our national interests go. It could, and by the same token, it might become an endless morass from which we would only be able to extricate ourselves at huge cost to our national reputation, the respect we get as a nation from others, and the esteem in which others hold us. You probably didn't notice it, but the one country I left out of my list of potential targets was the one we should have learned something of value from, but apparently didn't.....Viet Nam. We learned painful and unpalatable lessons from that experience (which I, incidentally, completely supported at the time), and I'm more than a little distressed to note that those lessons seem to be disappearing behind the fog of political idealism. If that's what Iraq was really about, we'd be wise to invest our money in mortuary stocks because there's going to be an endless and ongoing supply of business for them from our sacrificial lambs. Possibly, but I don't think necessarily so. Jury is still out as to whether resistance to anything American (let alone "Western") is stronger than the benefits of democratic and free market government that takes some patience to implement in the region. I still think the whole exercise was worth a try. I think the grieving families of the past and future casualties we've had and will continue to have in Iraq might possibly think otherwise, particularly those amongst them who never gave a rat's ass for the Iraqi people in the past, if indeed they had even heard of Iraq at all. Perhaps I need to remind you that our last major effort along those lines that didn't involve Iraq resulted in our abandonment of our peacekeeping efforts in Lebanon with nothing of value to show for the several hundred casualties we sustained at the Beirut International Airport. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. George Z. |
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"John Ahlstrom" wrote in message ... Michael Wise wrote: Printed in July 11 SF Chronicle letters to the editor, this punk seems to want our troops to be killed. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...rchive/2003/07 /11/ED272984.DTL Editor -- The constant loss of U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- after the war is "won" -- is a tragedy. However, if this is what it takes to retire the Bush administration at the next election, the sacrifice is justified. ARIE L. BLEICHER Mill Valley Perhaps some kind people can think of something to say to this gentleman. If so, you can reach him at: Arie Bleicher 81 Oakdale Ave Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-383-1177 and 415-383-1178 How about: The constant loss of U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- after the war is "won" -- is a tragedy. However, if this is what it takes to bring a free and democratic government to Iraq, the sacrifice is justified. John Ahlstrom I support our troops. I support the war. I support our nation. I support our constitution. I do not support our (current) government. -- I would suggest that Mr Arie Bleicher probably wouldn't support all aspects of the constitution (especialy those to do with free speech) and would support a rather "marxist" like look for the nation. |
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We fought this war in Iraq for a really obvious reason that nobody
seems to see. It wasn't about oil, we could buy it a lot cheaper. It wasn't about WMDs, Saddam was too chicke**** to use them against us. It wasn't about Al-Qaida, they hated Saddam more than we did! It was to end a war that had been going on for 13 years (longer than Vietnam!) and get our forces out of the area. And it is working, somewhat. We are pulling most forces out of Saudi Arabia, finally; Northern and Souther Watch are over (I got my combat time flying out of Incerlik in 93 - relatively early in the war). Now we just have to patch up Iraq enough that they can stand up on their own, then BUG OUT!!!! Big Picture, guys, and it takes more than a few years.... Kirk Remember, if you want to make a dog drink, you have to put it in a blender. |
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