Airports to ban cigarette lighters beyond checkpoints

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http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/du...n/10539621.htm

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Posted on Fri, Dec. 31, 2004

Airports to ban cigarette lighters beyond checkpoints

BY BRYON OKADA
Knight Ridder Newspapers

FORT WORTH, Texas - (KRT) - In what could become a major hassle for air
travelers who smoke, the Homeland Security Department will ban all
cigarette lighters beyond airport checkpoints beginning Feb. 15.

The Intelligence Reform Bill that President Bush signed Dec. 17 orders the
Transportation Security Administration to review its banned-items list and
to prohibit passengers from carrying butane lighters aboard planes.
Legislation stipulates that the ban must be in place in 60 days.

"We are reviewing the necessary changes that the Transportation Security
Administration will need to make based on the new intelligence
legislation," TSA spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said.

The TSA may also expand the banned-items list to include matches, aviation
industry sources have said. No decision has been made, according to one TSA
official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

But if a ban is enacted, it isn't clear how screeners would detect matches,
short of a time-consuming physical search.

In 2003, former TSA head James Loy determined that two lighters and four
books of matches were "an acceptable level of risk" to balance security and
customer service. But over the next year, Loy's decision was criticized as
too lax.

After all, two U.S. senators argued last year, would-be terrorist Richard
Reid was one match strike away from igniting explosives in the heel of his
shoe aboard a Paris-to-Miami flight.
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Oh. God. What have we done.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:02:06 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote in ::

Airports to ban cigarette lighters beyond checkpoints

This TSA policy of banning 'scary' items that have any potential at
all for use by terrorists is futile and if carried to its extreme,
will result in only nude passengers drugged into unconsciousness being
permitted airline travel. If it is TSA's intent to deny passengers
the ability to start a fire while occupying an airliner cabin, they're
going to have to include a lot more than butane lighters: burning
lens, the bow drill, flint & steel, potassium permanganate and
glycerin, piezo crystals, batteries, even the electrical wiring to the
overhead reading light. In the end, airline travel itself will have
to be banned to satisfy the Neanderthal TSA mentality.

Welcome to the 21st century. :-(

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:40:15 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

Welcome to the 21st century. :-(

your 21st century, that is. (but we are at our best way to copy all the bad
things as we did during the last centuries).

I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:50:36 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote in ::

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:40:15 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

Welcome to the 21st century. :-(

your 21st century, that is. (but we are at our best way to copy all the bad
things as we did during the last centuries).

As I recall, Germany perpetrated some of its own original "bad things"
in the last century that weren't copied from anyone else. :-(

I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:03:59 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

your 21st century, that is. (but we are at our best way to copy all the bad
things as we did during the last centuries).

As I recall, Germany perpetrated some of its own original "bad things"
in the last century that weren't copied from anyone else. :-(

let's agree to disagree there.

I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.

but only the wealthier people can afford those trips. Joe Average can't
afford a general aviation type of flight across Europe or the USA (within
reasonable time, means: turboprop or jet)

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Oh. God. What have we done.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:11:58 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote in ::

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:03:59 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:
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I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.

but only the wealthier people can afford those trips. Joe Average can't
afford a general aviation type of flight across Europe or the USA (within
reasonable time, means: turboprop or jet)

Right. The airlines are seeing their most profitable customer base
(corporate/business air travel) steadily erode due to the airlines'
shortsighted attempt to be all things to all travelers on every
flight. And the TSA's inane pseudo security impositions are the last
straw in bringing the airline industry to its knees.

Unfortunately, the airlines' response is to attempt to impede GA,
rather than rethink their operational structure. What's the name of
that river in Egypt, denial? :-)

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.


I guess you missed this part of the article:

Other industry observers have said it is disheartening that the TSA and Congress still must tinker with a security
problem brought to light in December 2001, rather than focusing on larger issues such as air cargo security or general
aviation security.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:20:08 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote in
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air cargo security or general aviation security.

The TSA may actually have a chance at success with air cargo security.
But until terrorists figure a way to kill thousands of innocent people
via that route, TSA will overlook it.

General aviation security is less of an issue than airline security,
because of the disparity in fuel capacity and passenger count between
a biz-jet and a B-747.

The current TSA focus on airline security is appropriate, but
successful security measures impose more harm (delays, indignities,
exasperation affecting hundreds of thousands of travelers) than the
terror they attempt to control, IMO.

I am not saying I agree with it, I am surprised why butane lighters were
allowed so far. Are nail clippers more dangerous than butane lighters
After all you can't smoke in the airplane anyway. Besides, didn't the
shoe bomber use a lighter?




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Posted on Fri, Dec. 31, 2004

Airports to ban cigarette lighters beyond checkpoints

BY BRYON OKADA
Knight Ridder Newspapers

FORT WORTH, Texas - (KRT) - In what could become a major hassle for
air travelers who smoke, the Homeland Security Department will ban all
cigarette lighters beyond airport checkpoints beginning Feb. 15.

The Intelligence Reform Bill that President Bush signed Dec. 17 orders
the Transportation Security Administration to review its banned-items
list and to prohibit passengers from carrying butane lighters aboard
planes. Legislation stipulates that the ban must be in place in 60
days.

"We are reviewing the necessary changes that the Transportation
Security Administration will need to make based on the new
intelligence legislation," TSA spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said.

The TSA may also expand the banned-items list to include matches,
aviation industry sources have said. No decision has been made,
according to one TSA official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

But if a ban is enacted, it isn't clear how screeners would detect
matches, short of a time-consuming physical search.

In 2003, former TSA head James Loy determined that two lighters and
four books of matches were "an acceptable level of risk" to balance
security and customer service. But over the next year, Loy's decision
was criticized as too lax.

After all, two U.S. senators argued last year, would-be terrorist
Richard Reid was one match strike away from igniting explosives in the
heel of his shoe aboard a Paris-to-Miami flight.
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Besides, didn't the shoe bomber use a lighter?

I would have thought the explosives were the key element, not the
lighter. You might as well comment that he used a shoe...