Multi engine plane for PPL or Pilot Training

I just want to ask question which is quite interesting, or i might do if it
is possible:
Can i use a multi enginer plane (like Piper) for my training for the whole
250hrs required for CPL?
Which means i get my PPL & instrument rating in the multi engine plane.

If you can afford it, go for it. The late Danny Kaye (you may be too young
to remember him) got his private in a twin. The big problem is going to be
insurance, because the insurance company almost certainly will not provide
coverage for solo flight, and solo is required for the ticket. Kaye, being a
movie star, probably self-insured.

Bob Gardner

"Louis Tse" wrote in message
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I just want to ask question which is quite interesting, or i might do if it
is possible:
Can i use a multi enginer plane (like Piper) for my training for the whole
250hrs required for CPL?
Which means i get my PPL & instrument rating in the multi engine plane.

"Louis Tse" wrote in message
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I just want to ask question which is quite interesting, or i might do if it
is possible: Can i use a multi enginer plane (like Piper) for my
training for the whole 250hrs required for CPL?

Which means i get my PPL & instrument rating in the multi engine plane.

Do you really want to solo in a multi? That seems to be exceptionally
dangerous AND expensive.

You have to practice power-on and power-off stalls, short- and soft-field
landings and all of that and not only that, you have to worry about landing
gear and twice the engine-performance issues...

Possible? Maybe. But doing what -may- be possible goes against the very
fundamentals of responsible aviation.

-c

Do you really want to solo in a multi? That seems to be exceptionally
dangerous AND expensive.


It's not dangerous... if that is how you are trained.. that is all you know.
Lets just think about all those military pilots that the first aircraft they
ever flew was a twin JET, T-37.

Granted not many do full power on stalls in a twin prop.

BT

I have regularly done full stalls in the full line of Beech
twins, from the B95-55 and B55-58, 58P &TC to the King Air
90,20 and 300 series. They stall just fine, recover just
fine and are controllable while in the stall. The Duchess
was even run through the full FAA stall -spin certification,
including single -engine stalls and spin and it recovers
just fine. It was decided not to actually certify the
airplane, but a competent pilot should have no trouble with
any straight wing twin doing balanced power stalls. Some
might be a problem if they are unstable or out of the proper
CG range.


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"BTIZ" wrote in message
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| Do you really want to solo in a multi? That seems to
be exceptionally
| dangerous AND expensive.
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| It's not dangerous... if that is how you are trained..
that is all you know.
| Lets just think about all those military pilots that the
first aircraft they
| ever flew was a twin JET, T-37.
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| Granted not many do full power on stalls in a twin prop.
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| BT
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BTIZ wrote:


It's not dangerous... if that is how you are trained.. that is all you know.
Lets just think about all those military pilots that the first aircraft they
ever flew was a twin JET, T-37.

Are you sure the T37 was a first airplane?

I had a retired Air Force school teacher that trained in T37's in the
70's, but I seem to remember him flying something before it, maybe a T34?

Barry... some of them in the 70s and early 80s may have done through "Hondo"
and it was in C-182s.. just to get up to solo.. I do not remember if they
had to solo or not.

Some of the older pilots.. before the advent of Jet trainers may have seen
the T-34.

The Navy was using the T-34C a few years ago, I'm not sure if they still
are.

Currently new AF Pilot "Trainees" get their FAA Pvt Pilot certificate while
a 2Lt, paid for at local flight schools by Uncle before reporting to AF
Pilot Training. If they cannot complete in set calendar time or flight time,
they do not get to go to AF Pilot. That program will phase out soon as the
AF goes back to a "Hondo" like program. Civil contract instructors. "Hondo"
refers to the town and airfield west of San Antonio Texas that provided the
training (filter service) to pilot candidates.

BT


"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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BTIZ wrote:


It's not dangerous... if that is how you are trained.. that is all you
know.
Lets just think about all those military pilots that the first aircraft
they ever flew was a twin JET, T-37.

Are you sure the T37 was a first airplane?

I had a retired Air Force school teacher that trained in T37's in the
70's, but I seem to remember him flying something before it, maybe a T34?

BTIZ wrote:
Barry... some of them in the 70s and early 80s may have done through "Hondo"
and it was in C-182s.. just to get up to solo.. I do not remember if they
had to solo or not.

That might have been it. For some reason, "53 weeks" rings a bell.

I don't think there's any reg that says you can't, but why would you
want to? The PPL is tough enough in a fixed-gear single, why make it
more complicated by adding gear, props, and a second engine with all
the engine-out performance issues that go with it? The money you would
spend just on the PPL would be scary. I had one of my students ask me
about it years ago and we figured out how much it would cost just based
on the national average of 65-70 hours. It was almost double IIRC.
Chances are it'd take significantly longer to get the PPL in a twin so
that 65-70 figure is conservative. The cheapest twin around here to
rent - there's only one that I know of - is a Seneca I that goes for
$230/hr and with the MEI added is $275. Ouch. I do know of a guy that
did all his PPL training in a Bonanza (he had more money than God) and
it took him almost 100hrs to get it done.

Also, when you are done, you won't have single engine land privileges,
just mutiengine. So you won't be able to be PIC in a single without
another checkride.