Do sim pilots log their time?

To whom it may concern:

Do sim pilots log their simulator time? Is so, why?

Possible answers:

To show simulated currency.
In furtherance of a simulated rating.
To prove to the simulated FAA that simulated flying happened.

Playing MS FS, no reason to, it doesn't count as training.
A real PCATD is FAA approved and can be logged, it counts if
a CFII or IGI gives the training.


"Watson" wrote in message
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| To whom it may concern:
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| Do sim pilots log their simulator time? Is so, why?
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| Possible answers:
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| To show simulated currency.
| In furtherance of a simulated rating.
| To prove to the simulated FAA that simulated flying
happened.
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Watson writes:

Do sim pilots log their simulator time? Is so, why?

Some do, and Microsoft Flight Simulator provides for it. It depends
on the goals of the simulation. Some people simulate airline flights
complete with a detailed passenger manifest.

Additionally, if the simulation experience is certified or recognized
by the FAA or other real-world organizations, the time spent in
simulation can definitely be logged in furtherance of real-life goals.

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"Watson" wrote in message
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To whom it may concern:

Do sim pilots log their simulator time? Is so, why?

I believe Microsoft logs the flights for you, so you can lose all your
flight time when you need to re-install.

It is often pointed out here that your log is your own. You can put
anything you want in it. The FARs determine what can be applied for a
new rating.


Watson wrote:
To whom it may concern:

Do sim pilots log their simulator time? Is so, why?

Possible answers:

To show simulated currency.
In furtherance of a simulated rating.
To prove to the simulated FAA that simulated flying happened.

My old instrument instructor, who flew water bombers for fun, liked to
say.................Yes you can log sim time. You SUBTRACT it from your
logbook.

The worse the weather the better to him. No day flights and we never needed
a hood. God bless his soul, he used to say, "God hates cowards," and then
we'd launch. He did have his own methods, and this was decades ago.

Best,
Karl
"Curator" N185KG



"Watson" wrote in message
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To whom it may concern:

Do sim pilots log their simulator time? Is so, why?

Possible answers:

To show simulated currency.
In furtherance of a simulated rating.
To prove to the simulated FAA that simulated flying happened.

Do sim pilots log their simulator time? Is so, why?

I know this post was meant tongue-in-cheek, but now that we've had the
"Kiwi" up and running for a few weeks (see it he
http://alexisparkinn.com/the_kiwi_is_born.htm ) I've had some good
experience watching real pilots "fly" a good simulator.

Interestingly, even though I personally find the sim experience to be
quite realistic, some of the best sticks I know have great difficulty
landing. One fellow in particular is inexplicably having no luck
landing the sim, despite thousands of hours of flight experience.

Just to illustrate his expertise as a pilot, he participated in the
National Air Tour in '04, and also in this past summer's Barnstormers
Tour. He flew wildlife-counting flights for the National Park Service
out West until last year, and has owned and flown literally dozens of
aircraft.

To say he is a "good stick" is an understatement.

Yet, even when I downloaded his current aircraft, and set him up at his
home airport, he was not able to land on the runway. The only thing I
can think of is that he apparently flies his real aircraft "by feel"
more than most of us do, and the simulator obviously is lacking in
"feel", since it is not a full-motion sim.

On the other hand, most average pilots have no difficulty landing. And
a fair number of non-pilots are able to do at least as well as the
fellow I describe, above, who always makes it to the airport but never
lands successfully on the runway.

It will be interesting to see if the new computer system I've ordered
-- which will help to make the sim experience as realistic as possible
-- helps the situation, or if it's strictly a motion-related problem
that can't be resolved.

And, no, I'm not logging the time in the Kiwi...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Sims do a decent job simulating instrument conditions and maybe some
other things, but they don't simulate landings realistically at all.
Even the most sophisticated sims dont simulate landings well. So it's
really irrelevant. I suspect the pilots who can land your sim well can
do so because they practiced with a sim, not a real airplane.

Sims do a decent job simulating instrument conditions and maybe some
other things, but they don't simulate landings realistically at all.
Even the most sophisticated sims dont simulate landings well. So it's
really irrelevant. I suspect the pilots who can land your sim well can
do so because they practiced with a sim, not a real airplane.

I think there's more to it than that. Some of our regulars on "Movie
Tuesday" are not computer literate at all, yet can land the Kiwi
without difficulty.

The same thing happened last weekend, during the annual meeting of the
99s (the International Organization of Women Pilots). The guys (known
as "49 1/2s") kicked the girls out of their own meeting room so that
we could fly the Kiwi while they held their meeting up in the (of
course!) Amelia Earhart Suite.

Many of the older guys in the group were completely computer ignorant
(several were rather proud of that fact, actually) -- yet most had no
trouble landing the sim.

I suspect success or failure says something about you, as a pilot, land
a real plane, rather than anything about the sim. In other words, if
you land a real plane more by sight-picture and numbers, you'll
probably have no trouble landing the Kiwi -- but if you land a plane
more by "feel", you'll likely not have good luck in the sim.

I honestly don't know, though.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

karl gruber wrote:
The worse the weather the better to him. No day flights and we never needed
a hood. God bless his soul, he used to say, "God hates cowards," and then
we'd launch. He did have his own methods, and this was decades ago.



I was riding along as copilot in a Cheyenne one fine summer day and we were
advised that the airliners were diverting from Ft. Lauderdale because of
turbulence associated with scattered cells all around the airport. My chief
pilot had a similar attitude to yours: never say "die".

He accepted the ILS approach and promply flew us into a cell. As we were
bouncing around wildly, he says to me: "Why am I working so hard? Here, you
fly it."

Thanks a lot, Jim.

I flew it and managed to get down on the ground in one piece, although the
little chain that held down my necktie broke as my tie flapped in my face a few
times.

Once we were there, he told the guy we were picking up we needed to wait a
little bit for weather before we left again. I guess the passenger wasn't as
brave as the two of us. G




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com