USAF = US Amphetamine Fools

Amphetamines, sedatives, anti-nerve agents, adrenaline and a whole
variety of vaccines, including anthrax, make up a cocktail of
chemicals banned by civilian authorities in the ordinary
workplace, yet forced upon pilots flying multi-million dollar jets
into combat

First, "Amphetamines", sedatives and adrenaline aren't forced on anyone. I've
never taken, nor will I, the "go pill" or the "no-go pill". They're optional
and quite controlled. Second, I've never taken, nor been told to, "anti-nerve"
agents. The only time you take these is when you've been exposed to a nerve
agent. Finally, the only vaccine the US Department of Defense has asked me to
take, that your average US citizen hasn't is anthrax and, recently, small pox.
Every other vaccine I've been "forced" to take, both my children are forced to
take to attend public school.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"lego" wrote in message
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By the way, this whole idea about military pilots not being bound by
the FAR's is untrue as well... If anyone chose to actually read
AFI11-203V3, you could look under paragraphs 1.2.1.3 for Compliance.

No, military pilots are governed by AFI11-203V3.

Any claim the the US Military works for FAA means the the US Military works
for Congress and that is Unconstitutional. Even the DoD is off to persue
her Constitutional role and has its ended usurping Executive power; under
the current Administration.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

No, military pilots are governed by AFI11-203V3.

No, SOME military pilots are governed by AFI11-203V3 -- probably USAF pilots.
USN pilots are governed by OPNAVINST 3710.7 (latest version available from the
NEDS web site is 3710.7S, 15 Nov 01, with Interim Change 31, 20 Sep 02).

OPNAVINST 3710.7S, par. 1.2.3 states:

"1.2.3 Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR). Naval aircraft shall be operated in
accordance with applicable provisions of FAR, Part 91, except:

a. Where this instruction prescribes more stringent requirements.

b. Where exemptions or authorizations issued to the Department of the
Navy/Department of Defense permit deviation from FAR."

So, Navy pilots are bound by 14 CFR 91 nee FAR Part 91.


Any claim the the US Military works for FAA means the the US Military works
for Congress and that is Unconstitutional. Even the DoD is off to persue
her Constitutional role and has its ended usurping Executive power; under
the current Administration.

I have seen no claim that the US Military works for the FAA. I have only seen
valid claims that US military pilots are bound by [some portions of] 14 CFR
(formerly formally, and currently popularly, known as the Federal Aviation
Regulations or FAR). BTW, the header of the copy of 14 CFR 91 I downloaded from
the FAA web site in Mar 2002 says:

"Note: This document contains FAR Part 91 including Amendment 91-263 as
published in the Federal Register on March 29, 2000."


Further, 14 CFR 91.101 states:

" 91.101 Applicability.
This subpart prescribes flight rules governing the operation of aircraft
within the United States and within 12 nautical miles from the coast of the
United States."

It does NOT differentiate between civil, military, and public aircraft.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

" 91.101 Applicability.
This subpart prescribes flight rules governing the operation of
aircraft within the United States and within 12 nautical miles from the coast
of
the United States."

It does NOT differentiate between civil, military, and public aircraft.

Title 49 does and Statute rules.

"Statute rules"?!?

OK, then 49 USC specifically allows the FAA to regulate military aircraft
operations. Almost right off the bat, 49 USC 40101 par. (a)(7)(C) mentions "the
national defense" as a target of its "regulatory system." Then par. (d)
specifically charges the "Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration"
with:

"(4) controlling the use of the navigable airspace and regulating civil and
military operations in that airspace in the interest of the safety and
efficiency of both of those operations."

AND

"(6) developing and operating a common system of air traffic control and
navigation for military and civil aircraft."


When a clause within 14 CFR does not specifically differentiate between civil,
public, and military aircraft, it defaults to the 14 CFR 1.1 definition:

'"Aircraft" means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in
the air.'

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

" 91.101 Applicability.
This subpart prescribes flight rules governing the operation of
aircraft within the United States and within 12 nautical miles from the
coast of
the United States."

It does NOT differentiate between civil, military, and public
aircraft.

Title 49 does and Statute rules.

"Statute rules"?!?

OK, then 49 USC specifically allows the FAA to regulate military aircraft
operations. Almost right off the bat, 49 USC 40101 par. (a)(7)(C)
mentions "the
national defense" as a target of its "regulatory system." Then par. (d)
specifically charges the "Administrator of the Federal Aviation
Administration"
with:

Come on Weiss, the words you quote explicitly exempt the Military, on a
National Defense basis, from FAA regulation. Why would you think providing
a specific exception, under Statute, would assert some sort of control?

US common carriers can now
boast of two zero killed years

Two zero? Did the kaiser steal your word twenty?

[two, zero-killed years]

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

OK, then 49 USC specifically allows the FAA to regulate military
aircraft
operations.

Then par. (d) specifically charges the "Administrator of the Federal
Aviation
Administration" with:

Come on Weiss, the words you quote explicitly exempt the Military, on a
National Defense basis, from FAA regulation. Why would you think
providing
a specific exception, under Statute, would assert some sort of control?

I see absolutely NO indication of any exemption of the military in 49 USC
40101
par. (d). Quite to the contrary, the FAA Administrator is specifically
charged
with "controlling the use of the navigable airspace and regulating civil
and
military operations in that airspace"; and military and civil aircraft are
subject to "common system of air traffic control and navigation"!

You just quoted the "national security" exception, Weiss.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

You just quoted the "national security" exception, Weiss.

You must be delusional. There was no mention of "security" or "exception,"
either expressed or implied.

"John Hairell" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:05:15 GMT, "John R Weiss"
wrote:

"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

You just quoted the "national security" exception, Weiss.

You must be delusional. There was no mention of "security" or
"exception,"
either expressed or implied.

He is delusional - this has been argued ad-nauseam this year, last
year, and the prior year, and Tarver always argues from the same
position, namely that the military is not at all subject to FAA
jurisdiction.

Correctly so.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

ATC is also not Part 91 Weiss. In the case where the Military needs to
control domestic Airspace, ATC will be getting their instructions somewhere
besides FAA.

Gee... We were discussing "Statute" -- specifically 49 USC 40101 -- and the
fact it gives the Administrator of the FAA the authority to control flight
operations in US airspace, specifically including military flight operations.
This authority is reinforced by 49 USC 40103. Nowhere in 49 USC 40101 or 40103
is there any mention of the DOT or FAA relinquishing control of airspace or
flight operations to anyone else. If some other statute overrides 49 USC 40101
or 40103, please post the citation.

49 USC 40106 specifically gives "Appropriate military authority" the emergency
power to "authorize aircraft of the armed forces of the United States to deviate
from air traffic regulations." It does NOT give the military any authority to
take over ATC functions or control non-military aircraft.

BTW, ATC IS part of 14 CFR 91 -- specifically 91.123, which mandates the
adherence to ATC clearances. Further, most of Subpart B of 14 CFR 91 deals with
flight operations under ATC within the US airspace system.