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Jack

I'm sure the vast areas of Afghanistan that are still under the control of
the same violent warlords they were ten years ago would love a few of those
shirts. They could, like, give them to their kids.

The ones that aren't fighting in their Warlord's private armies, I mean.

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Jack

in article , Matt at
wrote on 2003/10/29 20:09:

I'm sure the vast areas of Afghanistan that are still under the control of
the same violent warlords they were ten years ago would love a few of those
shirts. They could, like, give them to their kids.

Your point is what -- that we haven't remade Afghanistan into a modern
Western industrialized and democratic nation, with liberty and justice for
all, in a matter of months?

Ain't gonna happen on this planet, Matt. We are continuing to root out those
who presented the greatest threat to the US and to the people of
Afghanistan. At some point, inevitably, the Afghan people will be left to
pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Of course, they won't be that
much different ten years from now than they have ever been, probably, but
they will be better off than if we hadn't done what we are doing. And so
will we.

If you really want to remake the world be prepared to reinstitute the draft
and double your taxes. Otherwise just be content with occasionally putting a
finger in the dike, while the fingers of your other hand are crossed behind
your back.



Jack

Hector Le Castor wrote in message
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"Jack" wrote in message
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in article , Matt at

wrote on 2003/10/29 20:09:

At some point, inevitably, the Afghan people will be left to
pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

They're already left to themselves

Of course, they won't be that
much different ten years from now than they have ever been,
probably, but
they will be better off than if we hadn't done what we are doing.
And so
will we.

You're absolutely right. Since the rule of Talibans ended,
drug-related
agriculture has come back, offering them a unique chance of earning a
lot of
money.
They're already better off now, thanks to drug-buying countries, that
is
Western countries.

There's nothing better than free economy.

--
Hector le Castor

Maybe you should tell the international NGOs in Afghanistan all about
this. I'll bet if the US pulled every last poppy plant from the ground
you would simply start whining that the prices have risen and the
farmers are now unemployed.

In case you haven't noticed, we don't care what you think about the US.
I didn't think we were so subtle that the point was missed. Don't you
have a cemetery or synagogue to desecrate? If you hurry, you might be
able to beat up the last Jew in France before he's killed.

--

Scott
--------
"If Gen. Boykin had been caught giving talks to NAMBLA instead of church
groups, Democrats would be hailing him as a patriot for exercising his
First Amendment rights." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/102203.htm

"Hector Le Castor" wrote:
"Jack" wrote:

Of course, they won't be that much different ten years from now
than they have ever been, probably, but they will be better off
than if we hadn't done what we are doing. And so will we.

You're absolutely right. Since the rule of Talibans ended, drug-related
agriculture has come back, offering them a unique chance of earning
a lot of money.
They're already better off now, thanks to drug-buying countries, that is
Western countries.

No prob. Under the new Afgham regime, it's OK with us if radical
Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing poppies
(but we'll have to step in and draw the line if they cut off people's
hands simply for stealing bread like they used to under the oppressive
Taliban regime). Either way, it's never been much of a problem since
the vast majority of illegal drugs that the West consumes comes from
South America, not Afghanistan.

There's nothing better than free economy.

A free economy is just one aspect in the broad spectrum of American
civilization that makes the rest of the world green with envy.
American literature, philosophy, religion, education, politics and
military affairs reinforce the brilliance, the beauty, and the awesome
power of the United States of America.

Viva USA!

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:54:46 -0600, Jack wrote:

Found on the web:

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/tourback600-new.gif

They forgot to mention Viet Nam.

Bye
Andreas

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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"Hector Le Castor" wrote:
"Jack" wrote:

Of course, they won't be that much different ten years from now
than they have ever been, probably, but they will be better off
than if we hadn't done what we are doing. And so will we.

You're absolutely right. Since the rule of Talibans ended, drug-related
agriculture has come back, offering them a unique chance of earning
a lot of money.
They're already better off now, thanks to drug-buying countries, that is
Western countries.

No prob. Under the new Afgham regime, it's OK with us if radical
Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing poppies
(but we'll have to step in and draw the line if they cut off people's
hands simply for stealing bread like they used to under the oppressive
Taliban regime). Either way, it's never been much of a problem since
the vast majority of illegal drugs that the West consumes comes from
South America, not Afghanistan.

There's nothing better than free economy.

A free economy is just one aspect in the broad spectrum of American
civilization that makes the rest of the world green with envy.
American literature, philosophy, religion, education, politics and
military affairs reinforce the brilliance, the beauty, and the awesome
power of the United States of America.

Viva USA!

And who said Americans didn't 'do' irony! Brilliant...

John

Jack" wrote in message
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in article , Matt at
wrote on 2003/10/29 20:09:

I'm sure the vast areas of Afghanistan that are still under the control
of
the same violent warlords they were ten years ago would love a few of
those
shirts. They could, like, give them to their kids.

Your point is what -- that we haven't remade Afghanistan into a modern
Western industrialized and democratic nation, with liberty and justice for
all, in a matter of months?

Ain't gonna happen on this planet, Matt. We are continuing to root out
those
who presented the greatest threat to the US and to the people of
Afghanistan. At some point, inevitably, the Afghan people will be left to
pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Of course, they won't be that
much different ten years from now than they have ever been, probably, but
they will be better off than if we hadn't done what we are doing. And so
will we.

If you really want to remake the world be prepared to reinstitute the
draft
and double your taxes. Otherwise just be content with occasionally putting
a
finger in the dike, while the fingers of your other hand are crossed
behind
your back.

Jack

My point was that America has, overall, decreased the quality of life of the
average Afghani. The Red Cross, the UN and MSF have all noted that the
quality of life has dropped outside Kabul and Khandahar since the fall of
the Taliban. Poppy farming is up 200% and, whatever you might decide, 90% of
the Heroin coming into Europe and the US is from this region. Vital
international aid has been slow to appear, with the US so far providing less
than 10% of what they promised during the invasion. *Iran* has given more
money to rebuild Afghanistan than the US.

You got the Taliban out of the areas around Kabul and Khandahar. Great.
People in the city are now free to shave and take photographs. It's a
positive thing. Outside Kabul and Khandahar, the people are free to starve
to death because we bombed the food distribution system to pieces and never
replaced it.

The UK might have been complicit in the 'invasion', but at least we've
headed up the international assistance force that is starting to rebuild
Kabul. The US forces haven't done anything other than sit in their heavily
fortified compound, from which they occasionally shoot up the countryside
and drag off anyone who they think has too nice a truck to be a
non-terrorist to Guantanamo Bay, assuming they don't kill them in custody
first. (And that's not rabid loony liberal lies, two Afghani taxi drivers
died in US custody. The cause of death that the US Army Medical Examiners
wrote on the death certificates was 'Homocide'. There was no investigation
into this, and the medical examiners were quietly transferred out.)

The interim administration in Kabul is fighting desperately to unite the
areas of the country still controlled by the warlords, but they are being
hindered by US giving massive bribes of cash and weapons these groups in
their desperation to find Al Qaeda.

And come on, you still haven't caught Osama Bin Laden.

I don't hate America, I don't think Saddam Hussein or the Taliban should
have been left in power, but the 'Liberation of Afghanistan' is a ****ing
fairy tale.

in article , Andreas Maurer at
wrote on 2003/10/30 10:50:

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They forgot to mention Viet Nam.

We wisely let the Communists have the place. Their loss.



Jack

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:31:58 -0600, Jack wrote:


They forgot to mention Viet Nam.

We wisely let the Communists have the place. Their loss.

I love your term "wisely".


Bye
Andreas