Radio Procedure - Runway ID

Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left base,
runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish me
that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to rankle a
fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time, anyway.
Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

"...there is no zero in front of the two."

Does it matter?

Visually, 02 and 20 can be confused, especially as they are opposite
ends of the same piece of pavement and you may be seeing one of them
upside down, so having a single digit is a nice cue.

Aurally I think "runway six" is clearer than "runway zero six" and uses
less radio time. I suppose "runway two garble" is ambiguous while
"runway zero two garble" isn't, but "runway garble two" isn't much
better, so that's a wash for me.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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Visually, 02 and 20 can be confused, especially as they are opposite ends
of the same piece of pavement and you may be seeing one of them upside
down, so having a single digit is a nice cue.

Aurally I think "runway six" is clearer than "runway zero six" and uses
less radio time. I suppose "runway two garble" is ambiguous while "runway
zero two garble" isn't, but "runway garble two" isn't much better, so
that's a wash for me.


When part of a radio transmission is garbled I respond with "say again."

When part of a radio transmission is garbled I respond with "say again."

You can't count on the seventeen aircraft in the pattern at an
uncontrolled airport doing the same thing when my transmission is
garbled, and I'm not sure you want to.

Jose
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I use an airport that has RWY 7 and I call zero-seven all the time. What
does it matter?


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Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


Casey Wilson wrote:
Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left base,
runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish me
that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to rankle a
fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time, anyway.
Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

Ross Richardson wrote:
I use an airport that has RWY 7 and I call zero-seven all the time. What
does it matter?

It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.

Who knows, somebody might reply. Usually not.

"Newps" wrote in message
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It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.

and if no one replies... do you assume that no one is there??

NOT

BT

"Mike W." wrote in message
...
Who knows, somebody might reply. Usually not.

"Newps" wrote in message
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It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:dCY3f.5892$MN6.5076@fed1read04...
and if no one replies... do you assume that no one is there??

NOT

BT

That's why it is such a useless waste of time used by amateur radio jockeys
that want to hear themselves talk.


"Mike W." wrote in message
...
Who knows, somebody might reply. Usually not.

"Newps" wrote in message
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It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.

Actually I reply. I say "I'm over here."



Mike W. wrote:

Who knows, somebody might reply. Usually not.

"Newps" wrote in message
. ..

It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.