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What glider if not a Speed Astir?
So some of you really don't think to highly of the Speed Astir. What then would
be your recommendations for a first glider for a low time pilot training & soloing in a G103 II A? I need something under $20,000. that will keep me happy for a while. Thanks for your input! David |
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The Pegase would fit the bill perfectly.
The LS-4 or Jantar Std 3 as well, but they would cost a bit more. "Flyhighdave" wrote in message ... So some of you really don't think to highly of the Speed Astir. What then would be your recommendations for a first glider for a low time pilot training & soloing in a G103 II A? I need something under $20,000. that will keep me happy for a while. Thanks for your input! David |
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The ASW-19 would do as well as the Pegase, not quite as good a performance,
but should be cheaper. The ASW-19 was the machine of choice for the U.K. team in the Junior Sport Class World Gliding Championships this year, it has also been bought by the Surrey & Hants. gliding club for their early pilots, they have the biggest single seater fleet of any civilian club in the U.K. I agree about the Pegase and LS-4, I am not familiar with the Jantar Standard. In my own opinion, the ASW-19 is a nice glider and I would always be happy to fly one. The Pegase is nicer, and the LS-4 nicer still. This is also the order of performance, and of price. W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. "Arnold Pieper" wrote in message . com... The Pegase would fit the bill perfectly. The LS-4 or Jantar Std 3 as well, but they would cost a bit more. "Flyhighdave" wrote in message ... So some of you really don't think to highly of the Speed Astir. What then would be your recommendations for a first glider for a low time pilot training & soloing in a G103 II A? I need something under $20,000 that will keep me happy for a while. Thanks for your input! David |
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Flyhighdave wrote:
So some of you really don't think to highly of the Speed Astir. What then would be your recommendations for a first glider for a low time pilot training & soloing in a G103 II A? I need something under $20,000. that will keep me happy for a while. Thanks for your input! David Mosquito, ASW-19, Libelle, 1-34 (in N. America). |
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Libelle or Kestral both under $20K
.... Maybe an LS-4 on the higher cost side. BT "Flyhighdave" wrote in message ... So some of you really don't think to highly of the Speed Astir. What then would be your recommendations for a first glider for a low time pilot training & soloing in a G103 II A? I need something under $20,000. that will keep me happy for a while. Thanks for your input! David |
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Are you seriously recommending the Kestrel to a low
hours pilot? Fifteen million knobs and levers, some of which make life very interesting very quickly, big glider handling and flaps. Sheesh. At 04:30 11 December 2003, Btiz wrote: Libelle or Kestral both under $20K .... Maybe an LS-4 on the higher cost side. BT 'Flyhighdave' wrote in message ... So some of you really don't think to highly of the Speed Astir. What then would be your recommendations for a first glider for a low time pilot training & soloing in a G103 II A? I need something under $20,000. that will keep me happy for a while. Thanks for your input! David |
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Well, a Jantar Standard 2/3 or Junior (depending what You like more - LD
40:1 or extremely easy handling respectively) would be perfect I think. If You'll be looking hard, guys from my club have found Jantars in CIS fo r a bargain price, and now we have 6 of them at our field. You may look f or them also. Regards, -- Janusz Kesik visit www.leszno.pl - home of the www.css-leszno.it.pl |
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In article ,
Janusz Kesik wrote: Well, a Jantar Standard 2/3 or Junior (depending what You like more - LD 40:1 or extremely easy handling respectively) would be perfect I think. If You'll be looking hard, guys from my club have found Jantars in CIS fo r a bargain price, and now we have 6 of them at our field. You may look f or them also. I don't think I would buy any glider unless I had rented it first. Minden has a Mini-nimbus, LS-3, LS-4, and grob 102s. If it ain't too inconvenient, rent some before you buy. Maybe you fall in love with something. You also could perhaps get someone to add you to their insurance so you can try out their glider. Could be hard to find someone willing to do that, but it's worth a shot...especially if it's a PW-5 or Russia or Pegasus with the gear left down... |
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The only major drawback with a Kestrel is the speed
control (the airbrakes make a nice noise and that is about all) needed for landing: getting into a short field, or even a long one can be a challenge but with the right training it is not impossible. (The extra levers etc are not a problem in practice) I think that I would have to say that the Kestrel is probably safer for a low hours pilot than a Libelle. The Libelle is a very fine glider but it can also get very interesting very quickly, probably quicker than a Kestrel. My personal choice would be a Discus, very easy to fly and no real nasties but I have no idea of the price of one your side of the pond. I would agree with the choice of an ASW 19 the only problem is the size of the cockpit. Like my ASW17 a challenge to fit if you are tall. As an aside the is a file on www.gliderpilot.net in File Downloads which describes a modification for Kestrel airbrakes which does help a little. Do not expect Grob 103/ASK21 airbrake performance from this mod At 09:18 11 December 2003, Andrew Warbrick wrote: Are you seriously recommending the Kestrel to a low hours pilot? Fifteen million knobs and levers, some of which make life very interesting very quickly, big glider handling and flaps. Sheesh. At 04:30 11 December 2003, Btiz wrote: Libelle or Kestral both under $20K .... Maybe an LS-4 on the higher cost side. BT 'Flyhighdave' wrote in message ... So some of you really don't think to highly of the Speed Astir. What then would be your recommendations for a first glider for a low time pilot training & soloing in a G103 II A? I need something under $20,000. that will keep me happy for a while. Thanks for your input! David |
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Dave,
Ignore the kestrel and the junior. Most of the other suggestions are pretty reasonable. Jantar - looks ugly but has lots of poke Libelle - actually goes better than people think. You just need to fly it properly Cirrus - goes well ASW-19 - nice handling, looks good and has a bit of poke Pegase - nearly the same as the 19. LS4 - if you can stretch to this get one. Ignore all of the above, if you cant then see above! BTW. There is a good deal on a Pegase on wings and wheels which may be of interest to you. (commission payable to Owain Walters!) Owain |
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