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Question on airplane's IFR capability
I'm planning on transitioning from a PA-28-181 to Diamond models (DA20C1
and then to DA40). I'd like to use the DA40 for longer trips and DA20 for putzing around the airport practicing IFR approaches, possibly in IMC. There isn't a question as to DA40's IFR capability, but I'm running into a bit of an issue with the DA20. The smaller DA20's equipment is top of the line and meets the minimum IFR equipment list per FAR 91.205. Here's the rub: I'm being told that it isn't IFR capable because it doesn't have the static wicks on the trailing edges of the wings. I have never ever heard of wicks being a requirement for IFR flight. So what's the deal here, does the claim "airplane isn't IFR legal even though it meets the minimum IFR equipment list" have any validity? Curious, - Slav Inger - PP ASEL IA @ YIP |
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Slav Inger wrote: Here's the rub: I'm being told that it isn't IFR capable because it doesn't have the static wicks on the trailing edges of the wings. All electronic instruments in a plastic (ie nonconductive) airframe. Doesn't sound like a good recipe to me! Can you get a DA20 IFR certified at all? I didn't even think it was an option. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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Slav Inger writes:
I'm planning on transitioning from a PA-28-181 to Diamond models (DA20C1 and then to DA40). I'd like to use the DA40 for longer trips and DA20 for putzing around the airport practicing IFR approaches, possibly in IMC. There isn't a question as to DA40's IFR capability, but I'm running into a bit of an issue with the DA20. The smaller DA20's equipment is top of the line and meets the minimum IFR equipment list per FAR 91.205. Here's the rub: I'm being told that it isn't IFR capable because it doesn't have the static wicks on the trailing edges of the wings. I have never ever heard of wicks being a requirement for IFR flight. So what's the deal here, does the claim "airplane isn't IFR legal even though it meets the minimum IFR equipment list" have any validity? Curious, Composite aircraft need some kind of a metal mesh built into the airframe so that they can handle a lightning strike without completely delaminating. The Katana will never usable for IFR because it has no such mesh. The Star, I think, has that mesh, as do other IFR composites like the SR20/22. All the best, David -- David Megginson, , http://www.megginson.com/ |
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Slav Inger wrote
So what's the deal here, does the claim "airplane isn't IFR legal even though it meets the minimum IFR equipment list" have any validity? Curious, The Airplane Flight Manual will list the approved operations, Day, Night, IFR, etc. Bob Moore |
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"Robert Moore" wrote in message . 8... Slav Inger wrote So what's the deal here, does the claim "airplane isn't IFR legal even though it meets the minimum IFR equipment list" have any validity? Curious, The Airplane Flight Manual will list the approved operations, Day, Night, IFR, etc. For later model planes it will. Older aircraft weren't required to be certificated specifically for these operations (nor have AFM's). In that case, as long as you meet the equipment and inspection requirements, you're legal (same for homebuilts). |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote: "Robert Moore" wrote in message .8... The Airplane Flight Manual will list the approved operations, Day, Night, IFR, etc. For later model planes it will. Older aircraft weren't required to be certificated specifically for these operations (nor have AFM's). In that case, as long as you meet the equipment and inspection requirements, you're legal (same for homebuilts). Not necessarily. There are older aircraft that are prohibited from IFR operations. Two that come to mind are the Culver Cadet and the Bell 47. -- Paul Baechler |
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"Slav Inger" wrote in message
I'm planning on transitioning from a PA-28-181 to Diamond models (DA20C1 and then to DA40). I'd like to use the DA40 for longer trips and DA20 for putzing around the airport practicing IFR approaches, possibly in IMC. It's my understanding that the -20 is VFR only. You could always use it to practice approaches in VMC... -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer __________ |
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John T wrote:
It's my understanding that the -20 is VFR only. You could always use it to practice approaches in VMC... That's true, but I prefer to practice in more or less realistic conditions, like low VFR or "high" IFR. I was hoping I'd be able to do this in the DA20 which is much less money than the DA40... - Slav Inger - PP ASEL IA @ YIP |
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"Slav Inger" wrote in message
That's true, but I prefer to practice in more or less realistic conditions, like low VFR or "high" IFR. I was hoping I'd be able to do this in the DA20 which is much less money than the DA40... I know the feeling - even though I look for solid IMC. However, when I'm expecting IMC, I'd much rather spend the extra money for a late model plane with the right equipment than skimp for a less-than-ideal plane (say, a '99 C172S vs an '86 C172P). In your situation, I wouldn't even consider taking the -20 into IMC. Besides, that plane can be real...fun in turbulence. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer __________ |
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John T wrote:
However, when I'm expecting IMC, I'd much rather spend the extra money for a late model plane with the right equipment than skimp for a less-than-ideal plane (say, a '99 C172S vs an '86 C172P). In your situation, I wouldn't even consider taking the -20 into IMC. I'm definitely not interested in breaking any regs or jeopardizing safety, so if it won't do IFR, it won't do IFR - I'll have to look for other ways to do what I want to do. - Slav Inger - PP ASEL IA @ YIP |
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