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I've heard people say things like - it's illegal to start
your plane by propping it by hand unless there's a licensed pilot at the controls. Others have said it's illegal to use the armstrong starter unless it's tied down. Does anyone know what the applicable regulations, FAR's and Advisory Circulars are on the subject of starting by hand? |
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There are no regulations on the subject, just recommendations. If anything
bad were to happen, "careless and reckless" would be the relevant regulation. Bob Gardner "Brian Jennis" wrote in message news ![]() I've heard people say things like - it's illegal to start your plane by propping it by hand unless there's a licensed pilot at the controls. Others have said it's illegal to use the armstrong starter unless it's tied down. Does anyone know what the applicable regulations, FAR's and Advisory Circulars are on the subject of starting by hand? |
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![]() If anything bad were to happen, "careless and reckless" would be the relevant regulation. I tried to pin my CFI down on these matters, and he said: "Dan, there are all sorts of reasons why you don't want this to become an issue." Incidentally, the original poster (I think) said that a pilot had to be at the controls. I was instructed that a pilot or *mechanic* had to be. There is a page on hand-propping at www.pipercubforum.com/handprop.htm all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com |
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![]() "Cub Driver" wrote in message ... Incidentally, the original poster (I think) said that a pilot had to be at the controls. I was instructed that a pilot or *mechanic* had to be. As others have pointed out, there are no requirements in the regs (other than the catchall don't be a hazard). Back when I was pre-student pilot, I helped a guy start his taylorcraft. It takes about two minutes to explain how to work the mags and mixture. It's unbelievable to me that people would hand prop a plane without either someone at the controls or the aircraft restrained. Nearly all of these accidents happen because the throttle is a little more advanced than expected. Even if you had to leave the controls unattended to untie the running plane, it would be safer (as you'd have the chance to bring it back to a safer idle first). Had a hand propping incident at OSH this year. Guy pulls his Luscombe and turns it perpendicular to the rows. Starts it and it starts heading for the weeds (out accross the runway cleararea and eventually into some trees). However, the pilot says, "oh no" and attempts to grab the thing. This only suceeds in turning the aircraft now so that it is heading through a Cessna wing, and the tent of the aircraft underneath of it. Through shear dumb luck, the occupants of the tent escape with only cuts from pieces of their aircraft being thrown into them. |
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Had a hand propping where my bird got away from me and whacked into a
pole. Had the tail tied down, brakes set, and wheels chocked. I was careless in that I didn't check the strength of the rope and since I was in the grass the chocks needed to be larger than my usual chocks. The throttle was, in fact, advanced a bit too far. On start up the rope broke, the wheels slid in the grass and rode over the chocks, I grabbed the wing and turned the plane around and eventually had to let go. It weathervaned right around again and smacked into a pole. Luckily, no one hurt and no major damage to other aircraft. I'm rebuilding my bird now. This was the first time I had ever started it without someone at the controls. Things I should have done: I could have turned the fuel valve off after priming the engine. The engine would have run long enough for me to turn the fuel valve back on. I could have tied a string from the throttle back to the tail tiedown. That would have retarted the throttle as the plane moved forward. Lesson learned is that one should take as many precautions as humanely possible when handpropping. What I REALLY should have done: Installed the perfectly good starter that I had sitting in my shop. In article , "Ron Natalie" wrote: "Cub Driver" wrote in message ... Incidentally, the original poster (I think) said that a pilot had to be at the controls. I was instructed that a pilot or *mechanic* had to be. As others have pointed out, there are no requirements in the regs (other than the catchall don't be a hazard). Back when I was pre-student pilot, I helped a guy start his taylorcraft. It takes about two minutes to explain how to work the mags and mixture. It's unbelievable to me that people would hand prop a plane without either someone at the controls or the aircraft restrained. Nearly all of these accidents happen because the throttle is a little more advanced than expected. Even if you had to leave the controls unattended to untie the running plane, it would be safer (as you'd have the chance to bring it back to a safer idle first). -- Take out the airplane for reply |
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These regulations are Canadian. There are no restrictions in the U.S.
Its not reasonable to expect another pilot to be around everytime you fly. Just be careful and never **NEVER** hand prop a plane that was not designed to be hand proped (or anything more than around 100 hp). I would never consider proping my Mooney. -Robert, CFI (frequent hand proping guy). Brian Jennis wrote in message . .. I've heard people say things like - it's illegal to start your plane by propping it by hand unless there's a licensed pilot at the controls. Others have said it's illegal to use the armstrong starter unless it's tied down. Does anyone know what the applicable regulations, FAR's and Advisory Circulars are on the subject of starting by hand? |
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