Garmin 430

I have a VFR only 172 and I am considering IFR training.

I am looking for the most practical way to make my plane IFR certified
and useful.

At first glance, it appears to me that the Garmin 430 provides a LOT of
useful information for relatively not much money.

I have 2 questions though....

to use the glideslope / VOR / LOC functions of the 430, do I have to
have a glide slope indicator and VOR indicator or are these bits of
information displayed on hte 430 unit?

Is this one piece of equipment enough to enable my 172 to be instrument
certified?

I realize that I will be needing backup instruments to reliably fly in
IMC, that will come with time...what I need now is training and learned
proficiency.

Thanks,

Jamie A. Landers
PP-ASEL

Check these threads

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...7?dmode=source

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...b?dmode=source

On 12/6/2005 15:25, wrote:

I have a VFR only 172 and I am considering IFR training.

I am looking for the most practical way to make my plane IFR certified
and useful.

At first glance, it appears to me that the Garmin 430 provides a LOT of
useful information for relatively not much money.

I have 2 questions though....

to use the glideslope / VOR / LOC functions of the 430, do I have to
have a glide slope indicator and VOR indicator or are these bits of
information displayed on hte 430 unit?


The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.

Is this one piece of equipment enough to enable my 172 to be instrument
certified?

Well, here you have to be careful. There are some who will argue that
you can legally fly IFR with nothing more than a hand-held GPS unit.

You can review FAR 91.205 for required equipment and instruments, and
specifically sub-section (d), which covers IFR.

The Garmin GNS 430 is a TSO C-129 certified unit, so although it can
be used as the sole means of IFR navigation, you must have an alternate
means of navigation on board and functional (there's a lot more to this,
but this is the jist of it).

There is a section in the AIM that talks about the use of a GPS system
in lieu of other navigation equipment, and when it is allowed. You should
check that out as well.

Basically, if you don't have a glide slope receiver, you won't be able
to fly any precision approaches. If you don't have an ADF, you won't
be able to fly any NDB approaches (not that there are that many left).

Let me know if you have any more questions, and watch out: there are
going to be a lot of opinions on this one (just look at the other
GPS threads over the last couple of months or so...).



I realize that I will be needing backup instruments to reliably fly in
IMC, that will come with time...what I need now is training and learned
proficiency.

Simulators can help with some types of proficiency. Let me know if you
want to talk about that.


Thanks,

Jamie A. Landers
PP-ASEL



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ...

The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.
--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane


Garmin says the GNS 430 has a glide slope.
See the second sentence of the first paragraph at:
http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430/

John R. Copeland wrote On 12/06/05 16:03,:
"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ...

The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.
--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane



Garmin says the GNS 430 has a glide slope.
See the second sentence of the first paragraph at:
http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430/


I think they are talking about the wire that goes out. There is ZERO
GS indication on the unit itself.

Scott Moore wrote:
John R. Copeland wrote On 12/06/05 16:03,:

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ...


The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.
--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane



Garmin says the GNS 430 has a glide slope.
See the second sentence of the first paragraph at:
http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430/



I think they are talking about the wire that goes out. There is ZERO
GS indication on the unit itself.

In order to be approved as an IFR installation the 430 has to drive an
external CDI or HSI where the G/S will be displayed.

In order to be approved as an IFR installation the 430 has to drive an external CDI or HSI where the G/S will be displayed.

What is the reasoning behind this requirement? (especially in light of
glass panels cockpits)

Jose
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The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.

It has full ILS capability once you provide the CDI unit. I have done
my instrument training with that one unit only.

Ron Lee

On 12/6/2005 16:22, Ron Lee wrote:

The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in
precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI
for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc.

It has full ILS capability once you provide the CDI unit. I have done
my instrument training with that one unit only.

I Guess I was thinking of the unit in GPS mode. Yes, you can still tune
in ILS stations and fly ILS approaches with the unit in VLOC mode (assuming
you have the right indicators).

Sorry for the confusion.


Ron Lee


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:

Basically, if you don't have a glide slope receiver, you won't be able
to fly any precision approaches. If you don't have an ADF, you won't
be able to fly any NDB approaches (not that there are that many left).

They're disappearing, but they're not quite dead yet. I count 29 in
New York and New Jersey alone -- I don't know how often they're
actually used, but at least they're still publishing the plates in the
current cycle:

- KBGM NDB 34
- KBUF NDB 5
- KBUF NDB 23
- KCDW NDB or GPS 22
- KCDW NDB or GPS-A
- KFRG NDB 1
- 1B1 NDB-A
- KISP NDB or GPS 6
- NY0 NDB 10
- NY0 NDB 28
- KNEL NDB 24
- N07 NDB or GPS 1
- 06N NDB 26
- KMIV NDB or GPS 14
- KMGJ NDB 3
- KMSV NDB or GPS 15
- KMMU NDB or GPS 5
- KMMU NDB or GPS 23
- KIAG NDB 28R
- KPEO NDB 28
- KPTD NDB 24
- KSCH NDB 22
- KSCH NDB 28
- KTTN NDB or GPS 6
- KUCA NDB or GPS 15
- KELZ NDB 28
- KGTB NDB or GPS 15 (military)
- KGTB NDB or GPS 33 (military)
- KHPN NDB 16


All the best,


David