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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
From the Cessna Pilots Ass'n avionics forum:
"Just talked to Tom Engberg at Cessna about G1000 WAAS upgrade. He said that Cessna was waiting on Garmin to propose an upgrade to the pre 07 G1000s. He also said that it was going to take a change in the GIAs and that would be very expensive. This is if it is even made available. What I couldn't fine believeable is that he said no one at Cessna knew if the upgrade was even going to be made available. I believe that if the present owners of pre 07 G1000s don't start calling Cessna and demanding what their advertisements stated, we will never get a WAAS upgrade." -- Dan ? at BFM |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
On May 29, 3:10 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:
From the Cessna Pilots Ass'n avionics forum: "Just talked to Tom Engberg at Cessna about G1000 WAAS upgrade. He said that Cessna was waiting on Garmin to propose an upgrade to the pre 07 G1000s. He also said that it was going to take a change in the GIAs and that would be very expensive. This is if it is even made available. What I couldn't fine believeable is that he said no one at Cessna knew if the upgrade was even going to be made available. I believe that if the present owners of pre 07 G1000s don't start calling Cessna and demanding what their advertisements stated, we will never get a WAAS upgrade." -- Dan ? at BFM This will be interesting for CAP. We have lots and lots of 2006 G1000 182's and 206's. -Robert |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
"Robert M. Gary" wrote: This will be interesting for CAP. We have lots and lots of 2006 G1000 182's and 206's. Could be really bad. Owners 0f 2004-2006 Cessnas could find the IFR utility of their airplanes diminishing yearly as the FAA commissions more LNAV-VNAV WAAS approaches. Can you say "class action suit?" What about when ADS-B arrives? Will G1000 owners be SOL then, too? -- Dan "The future has actually been here for a while, it's just not readily available to everyone." - some guy at MIT |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
"Dan Luke" wrote in message
... ... Could be really bad. Owners 0f 2004-2006 Cessnas could find the IFR utility of their airplanes diminishing yearly as the FAA commissions more LNAV-VNAV WAAS approaches. Can you say "class action suit?" What about when ADS-B arrives? Will G1000 owners be SOL then, too? ... I can't see the FAA decommissioning VOR / ILS / GPS / RNAV approaches as they bring up new WAAS approaches. I can see that the older G1000s won't be able to take advantage of the new approaches. I also don't see this as a big impact for CAP since very, very little of our flying is done in IMC (except for transport or maybe electronic searches). I think this will become a marketing / legal issue for Cessna however, especially if promises were made. -- Jim Carter Rogers, Arkansas |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
"Dan Luke" writes: This will be interesting for CAP. We have lots and lots of 2006 G1000 182's and 206's. Could be really bad. Owners 0f 2004-2006 Cessnas could find the IFR utility of their airplanes diminishing yearly as the FAA commissions more LNAV-VNAV WAAS approaches. What the?! Did any fool ever any proclaim a guarantee of "non-diminishing IFR utility"? Even if they did, how exactly do you figure that the mere existence of LNAV-VNAV approaches somehow dimishes the utility of those machines that cannot use them?! If anything, they can be a plus -- there any LNAV-VNAV family approaches that do not also have plain LNAV? Can you say "class action suit?" [...] Yes, and I can also say "bozo the clown". - FChE |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
"Frank Eigler" wrote: What the?! Did any fool ever any proclaim a guarantee of "non-diminishing IFR utility"? No, but Cessna and Garmin both said that older G1000s would be upgradable. Even if they did, how exactly do you figure that the mere existence of LNAV-VNAV approaches somehow dimishes the utility of those machines that cannot use them?! Think about the fact that the FAA is counting on GPS to allow them to do away with ground based NAV systems--it's already happening. Do you really believe that won't include some ILS's? If anything, they can be a plus -- Haw-haw! there any LNAV-VNAV family approaches that do not also have plain LNAV? Evidently the concept of lower minimums for VNAV is new to you. Can you say "class action suit?" [...] Yes, and I can also say "bozo the clown". Can you do tricks on your tiny bicycle, too? -- Dan "How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!" -Chief Inspector Dreyfus |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
"Dan Luke" wrote: Think about the fact that the FAA is counting on GPS to allow them to do away with ground based NAV systems--it's already happening. Do you really believe that won't include some ILS's? So *that's* what you're aching to sue Garmin & Cessna for? The hypothetical decommissioning of ILS approaches by the FAA? Good luck with that. there any LNAV-VNAV family approaches that do not also have plain LNAV? Evidently the concept of lower minimums for VNAV is new to you. Or rather, I can tell the difference between a contrapositive and a non sequitor. - FChE |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
"Dan Luke" wrote:
What about when ADS-B arrives? Hopefully it'll come with more vendors offering products and price competiton... Right now the offerings are few and the pricing high... |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
On May 30, 7:54 am, Darrel Toepfer wrote:
"Dan Luke" wrote: What about when ADS-B arrives? Hopefully it'll come with more vendors offering products and price competiton... Right now the offerings are few and the pricing high... Yea, and the FAA seems to be helping avoid competition. |
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WAAS upgrade for your G1000?
On Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 6:10:58 PM UTC-4, Dan Luke wrote:
From the Cessna Pilots Ass'n avionics forum: "Just talked to Tom Engberg at Cessna about G1000 WAAS upgrade. He said that Cessna was waiting on Garmin to propose an upgrade to the pre 07 G1000s. He also said that it was going to take a change in the GIAs and that would be very expensive. This is if it is even made available. What I couldn't fine believeable is that he said no one at Cessna knew if the upgrade was even going to be made available. I believe that if the present owners of pre 07 G1000s don't start calling Cessna and demanding what their advertisements stated, we will never get a WAAS upgrade." -- Dan ? at BFM Sorry, kind of late on this thread, but a student just bought a 2004 C-182 and thought that it had WAAS. I got a WAG on WAAS upgrade: $28,000!!!! I don't believe that this includes the Garmin Autopilot, but am not sure, since both display units and both antenna are included, it may include removal of the KAP-140 and replacement with the GFC 700 autopilot. I do not believe that it includes the Garmin GFC 700. I owned a 2004 and then a 2007 Cessna 182. The difference in the NAV capabilities was great. However, LNAV approaches without glide path are far superior to any old VOR or ADF approaches. The single advantage of the older machines is that, with the single AHRS installed in these airplanes, loss of that AHRS is pretty bad in IMC because staring down at the standby attitude indicator is a bear in the NEW (WAAS) units. However, with the KAP-140 being independent of the G1000 (older airplanes), loss of the AHRS does not eliminate use of the KAP-140 autopilot. The KAP-140 keeps the airplane on course (using heading mode), and on altitude, where one can continue using the full GPS nav tracking. I've had an AHRS fail in IMC, and it wasn't much of a bother. Chick Svoboda |
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