Question on mil memos circa 1970-1972

Hey old goats...

The latest buzz from the rabid right wing attack dogs is that the newly
released memos about George Bush are forgeries. Bizaare.

The reasoning is that the memos revealed are proportional font, and use
other typesetting devices that are commonly found now on modern
computers and laser printers, but were not available in your average
Mark I Mod 0 admin department in the military.

Since I was barely out of diapers in this time frame, I thought I'd toss
it up to you grey eagles for comment. Any Admin O's out there? Air Guard
time? YNs? PNs?

http://hftp.blogspot.com/2004/09/60-...ts-forged.html

"nafod40" wrote in message

Hey old goats...

The latest buzz from the rabid right wing attack dogs is that the newly
released memos about George Bush are forgeries. Bizaare.

In this election how can ANYTHING be considered "bizarre?" ;-)

The reasoning is that the memos revealed are proportional font, and use
other typesetting devices that are commonly found now on modern
computers and laser printers, but were not available in your average
Mark I Mod 0 admin department in the military.

I dunno. The Air Force/ANG world always did seem to have lots of money.
Mabye they were "cutting edge" in their day.

Can't speak specifically to the ANG, but I am in the process of correcting
my records with CNAVRES so I can get all my retirement points. Seems that
they did not know I did six years active duty before I joined, or that I
drilled at NAF Detroit from 1973-1978. Nary a drill was on the master list.
Not even one.

Sooooooooooo, I am copying log book pages, old muster sheets, physical exam
forms, ACDUTRA & SPECAC orders, etc. to show that (a) I was alive at that
time and, (b) performed service for my country, and (c) deserve to be paid
for it.

Oh, and I got a copy of my first DD214 to send along with everything else.

Maybe the boy was AWOL and maybe the ANG had some no load keeping the
records during that period. Either is possible. But, in the end, does it
matter?

Bill Kambic

Mangalarga Marchador: Uma raça, uma paixão

Bill Kambic wrote:

Maybe the boy was AWOL and maybe the ANG had some no load keeping the
records during that period. Either is possible. But, in the end, does it
matter?

Only in the sense of "who killed JR" kind of matters. Good clean
political dirt fun. Let the games begin!

In article ,
nafod40 writes:
Hey old goats...

The latest buzz from the rabid right wing attack dogs is that the newly
released memos about George Bush are forgeries. Bizaare.

The reasoning is that the memos revealed are proportional font, and use
other typesetting devices that are commonly found now on modern
computers and laser printers, but were not available in your average
Mark I Mod 0 admin department in the military.

Since I was barely out of diapers in this time frame, I thought I'd toss
it up to you grey eagles for comment. Any Admin O's out there? Air Guard
time? YNs? PNs?

http://hftp.blogspot.com/2004/09/60-...ts-forged.html

Well, at the time, they used typewriters, and Carbon Paper. That means
a monospaced font, uneven strikes, and all manner of wibbly-wobbly
letters as the thickness of the paper/carbon sandwich changed.

There certainly wasn't anything like, say, an early 1980's Word
Processor/Phototypesetter such as a Wang, DecMate, or Itek Quadritek.

I ought to know - I was there as part of the Quadritek/EON team at
Itek from '80-82, and at DEC just after. Nobody had them becasue we
were just beginning to make them. Think about it - 1973 - no
Micrcomputers. No Laser Printers. No Inkjet Printers. At that time,
Xerox machines were Really Zippy, and Fax Machines were the next best
thing to Star Trek.

Getting high quality typescript done back then was a laborious and
expensive process. Either the type was cast in metal by a Linotype
machine, operated by a specialist, or it was photoset.
Phototypesetting was a multi-step process - you exposed your type on
super-high quality photographic film, (again, a job for a specialist -
there wasn't any WYSIWYG stuff back then - kerning (spacing between
letters) and such were done manually, and was a by-guess and by-gosh
process. After the filmwas shot, it had to be kept light-tight until
it was developed. The developed film was used to deposit resist on a
blank printing plate (A plastic and Aluminum Sandwich, which contains
the full page to be run on the press) the plate is then etched away
with acid so that the characters are raised. Then, if all's gone
well, the plate is latched into an Offset Press, and you wind it up &
let it work. This wasn't cheap - we invested a _lot_ of money, time,
and effort into trying to reduce costs - stuff like recovering the
Silver from exposed film, and the metal from the used plates and acid.

Even a simple job was an all day affair.

A Proportional Font on a 1973 interoffice communication is like having
a Porsche 959 show up in a photo supposedly taken during the Battle of
the Bulge.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

I have looked at copies of the original documents and concur that the
typography is inconsistent with the alleged dates. I also noticed another
inconstancy - in one of the memos, the expression: "not later than (NLT)"
is used. In my recollection of military correspondence the correct form
should have been: "NLT (Not Later Than)". The parenthetical definition used
only after the first use of an acronym in a document. Can anyone confirm
this form?

Jack G.


Peter Stickney" wrote in message
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In article ,
nafod40 writes:
Hey old goats...

The latest buzz from the rabid right wing attack dogs is that the newly
released memos about George Bush are forgeries. Bizaare.

The reasoning is that the memos revealed are proportional font, and use
other typesetting devices that are commonly found now on modern
computers and laser printers, but were not available in your average
Mark I Mod 0 admin department in the military.

Since I was barely out of diapers in this time frame, I thought I'd toss
it up to you grey eagles for comment. Any Admin O's out there? Air Guard
time? YNs? PNs?

http://hftp.blogspot.com/2004/09/60-...ts-forged.html

Well, at the time, they used typewriters, and Carbon Paper. That means
a monospaced font, uneven strikes, and all manner of wibbly-wobbly
letters as the thickness of the paper/carbon sandwich changed.

There certainly wasn't anything like, say, an early 1980's Word
Processor/Phototypesetter such as a Wang, DecMate, or Itek Quadritek.

I ought to know - I was there as part of the Quadritek/EON team at
Itek from '80-82, and at DEC just after. Nobody had them becasue we
were just beginning to make them. Think about it - 1973 - no
Micrcomputers. No Laser Printers. No Inkjet Printers. At that time,
Xerox machines were Really Zippy, and Fax Machines were the next best
thing to Star Trek.

Getting high quality typescript done back then was a laborious and
expensive process. Either the type was cast in metal by a Linotype
machine, operated by a specialist, or it was photoset.
Phototypesetting was a multi-step process - you exposed your type on
super-high quality photographic film, (again, a job for a specialist -
there wasn't any WYSIWYG stuff back then - kerning (spacing between
letters) and such were done manually, and was a by-guess and by-gosh
process. After the filmwas shot, it had to be kept light-tight until
it was developed. The developed film was used to deposit resist on a
blank printing plate (A plastic and Aluminum Sandwich, which contains
the full page to be run on the press) the plate is then etched away
with acid so that the characters are raised. Then, if all's gone
well, the plate is latched into an Offset Press, and you wind it up &
let it work. This wasn't cheap - we invested a _lot_ of money, time,
and effort into trying to reduce costs - stuff like recovering the
Silver from exposed film, and the metal from the used plates and acid.

Even a simple job was an all day affair.

A Proportional Font on a 1973 interoffice communication is like having
a Porsche 959 show up in a photo supposedly taken during the Battle of
the Bulge.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster