Apis and Viva production acquired by Yuneec aircraft, Shanghai

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...neec.html?ref=

On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...-ravyuneec.htm...

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Best Regards, Dave

On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...-ravyuneec.htm...

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Best Regards, Dave

see if they have a smallish sized motor and prop that could fit into
the engine bay in my Apis-13, I retro-fitted the compartment a few
years ago but never added an engine. My thought was an electric
sustainer.

Thanks,
Brad

On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad wrote:
On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler wrote:

On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...-ravyuneec.htm....

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Best Regards, Dave

see if they have a smallish sized motor and prop that could fit into
the engine bay in my Apis-13, I retro-fitted the compartment a few
years ago but never added an engine. My thought was an electric
sustainer.

Thanks,
Brad

Hi Brad - Yuneec has a wide range of motors, controllers, and props
(they come from model aircraft world). Your problem will be the
batteries...
See ya, Dave

On Jul 21, 9:52*am, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad wrote:





On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler wrote:

On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...-ravyuneec.htm...

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Best Regards, Dave

see if they have a smallish sized motor and prop that could fit into
the engine bay in my Apis-13, I retro-fitted the compartment a few
years ago but never added an engine. My thought was an electric
sustainer.

Thanks,
Brad

Hi Brad - Yuneec has a wide range of motors, controllers, and props
(they come from model aircraft world). Your problem will be the
batteries...
See ya, Dave

yup, it's always the batteries...................heavy and expensive?

Brad

On Jul 21, 9:52*am, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad wrote:



On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler wrote:

On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...-ravyuneec.htm...

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Dave,

On a closely related subject, I am interested in any tilt-up self-
launch implementations that close the main engine bay doors at the end
of the mast extract cycle and then somehow reopen the doors to allow
retraction. As I recall, the Antares does that, but Dick Vangrunsven
(reasonably close to me) couldn't tell me how his did it. The two
choices seem to be (1) electric actuators, or (2) some sort of monkey-
motion mechanical arrangement.

Can you tell me/us how the Antares does it?

Thanks,

On Jul 22, 1:19*am, Bob Luten wrote:
On Jul 21, 9:52*am, Dave Nadler wrote: On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad wrote:

On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler wrote:

On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...-ravyuneec.htm...

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Dave,

On a closely related subject, I am interested in any tilt-up self-
launch implementations that close the main engine bay doors at the end
of the mast extract cycle and then somehow reopen the doors to allow
retraction. *As I recall, the Antares does that, but Dick Vangrunsven
(reasonably close to me) couldn't tell me how his did it. *The two
choices seem to be (1) electric actuators, or (2) some sort of monkey-
motion mechanical arrangement.

Can you tell me/us how the Antares does it?

Thanks,

Antares has a hydraulic system, used for mast, engine bay doors,
and landing gear retraction. My P-tube is still manual, but wait for
next year.

See ya, Dave "YO electric"

I'm seriously contemplating putting Yuneec's 20 KW (27 hp) motor and
about 4 KWh of battery into my Apis M. It seems to me that about 8
KWh would be ideal for my "mission", but that may be too heavy. We'll
see. Performance should be about equivalent to an Apis Bee (Hirth
F33) but without most of the density altitude and in-flight (high
altitude) startup issues. I also modified my M (15m) fuselage to
accommodate the Bee mast and engine, but then held off when the
(Yuneec) electric option started looking real.

I'll be talking to all the key players next week at Oshkosh. If
things go well (i.e. pricing is acceptable), I anticipate placing an
order for at least the motor, controller and a single battery pack (2
KWh) to support some integration and ground testing as soon as they
can deliver.

I'm also puzzled about the Apis design going to Yuneec. I haven't
seen/heard anything from Pipistrel, but I'll be chasing that question,
and visiting Slovenia, this fall.

On Jul 22, 1:11*am, Bob Luten wrote:
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I'm also puzzled about the Apis design going to Yuneec. *I haven't
seen/heard anything from Pipistrel, but I'll be chasing that question,
and visiting Slovenia, this fall.

That's a different Apis. Astute observers have noticed several (!)
different designs that look, ahem, remarkably similar. Some even
with the same name. Long tale with lawyers involved...

Stop by and say hello at Oshkosh,
Best Regards, Dave

On Jul 21, 7:24*am, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/bu...-ravyuneec.htm...

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Best Regards, Dave

From Oshkosh: Yuneec has acquired all the IP, tooling, and
some aircraft. Designer Martin is acting as a consultant and
helping them get set up. Viva prototype was exhibited at
Oshkosh with gas motor removed and electric installed but
not yet flyable.

Yuneec didn't do any flying at Oshkosh.
Technical difficulties...

YO electric was the only electric aircraft flying at Oshkosh;
in the airshow Thursday and Saturday.
Hopefully did some good promoting soaring !
Blog write-up to follow...

See ya, Dave "YO electric"