National Records & Citizenship

I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on the
location of the actual flight? This leads to very misleading listings
of National Records. For example the World Altitude Record of Fossett
and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina but shows up as a
US Multiplace National Record when in fact no multiplace glider has
ever flown that high in the US. Similar with the 1500 km that Fossett
and Delore flew in Argentina. What was the FAI thinking when they
decided to use citizenship instead of the country where you start your
flight? Surely they had a reason.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:34 -0800, Tony wrote:

I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on the
location of the actual flight? This leads to very misleading listings
of National Records. For example the World Altitude Record of Fossett
and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina but shows up as a US
Multiplace National Record when in fact no multiplace glider has ever
flown that high in the US. Similar with the 1500 km that Fossett and
Delore flew in Argentina. What was the FAI thinking when they decided
to use citizenship instead of the country where you start your flight?
Surely they had a reason.

Isn't that a question for the US national aeroclub?

Of course the FAI administers world records, but I think you'll find that
US national records are the responsibility of your national aero club and
that they set the rules about who can hold a national record and where,
geographically, it can be set.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
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On Mar 10, 10:15*am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:34 -0800, Tony wrote:
I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on the
location of the actual flight? *This leads to very misleading listings
of National Records. *For example the World Altitude Record of Fossett
and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina but shows up as a US
Multiplace National Record when in fact no multiplace glider has ever
flown that high in the US. *Similar with the 1500 km that Fossett and
Delore flew in Argentina. *What was the FAI thinking when they decided
to use citizenship instead of the country where you start your flight?
Surely they had a reason.

Isn't that a question for the US national aeroclub?

Of course the FAI administers world records, but I think you'll find that
US national records are the responsibility of your national aero club and
that they set the rules about who can hold a national record and where,
geographically, it can be set.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

OK then, why are US records based on citizenship instead of geographic
location? Although the one thread I did find here on the subject
seemed to indicate that the US is not the only country with this
situation.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:27:04 -0800, Tony wrote:

On Mar 10, 10:15Â*am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:34 -0800, Tony wrote:
I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on the
location of the actual flight? Â*This leads to very misleading
listings of National Records. Â*For example the World Altitude Record
of Fossett and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina but
shows up as a US Multiplace National Record when in fact no
multiplace glider has ever flown that high in the US. Â*Similar with
the 1500 km that Fossett and Delore flew in Argentina. Â*What was the
FAI thinking when they decided to use citizenship instead of the
country where you start your flight? Surely they had a reason.

Isn't that a question for the US national aeroclub?

Of course the FAI administers world records, but I think you'll find
that US national records are the responsibility of your national aero
club and that they set the rules about who can hold a national record
and where, geographically, it can be set.

--
martin@ Â* | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org Â* Â* Â* |

OK then, why are US records based on citizenship instead of geographic
location? Although the one thread I did find here on the subject seemed
to indicate that the US is not the only country with this situation.

I never said or implied that the US is the only country to do that: just
that the rules for national records will be set by a national body, not
the FAI.

The UK has a very similar rule. National records must be set by UK
citizens but can be set anywhere in the world. I know of at least one UK
record that was set in Patagonia.



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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

On 10 maalis, 22:54, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:27:04 -0800, Tony wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:15*am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:34 -0800, Tony wrote:
I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on the
location of the actual flight? *This leads to very misleading
listings of National Records. *For example the World Altitude Record
of Fossett and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina but
shows up as a US Multiplace National Record when in fact no
multiplace glider has ever flown that high in the US. *Similar with
the 1500 km that Fossett and Delore flew in Argentina. *What was the
FAI thinking when they decided to use citizenship instead of the
country where you start your flight? Surely they had a reason.

Isn't that a question for the US national aeroclub?

Of course the FAI administers world records, but I think you'll find
that US national records are the responsibility of your national aero
club and that they set the rules about who can hold a national record
and where, geographically, it can be set.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

OK then, why are US records based on citizenship instead of geographic
location? *Although the one thread I did find here on the subject seemed
to indicate that the US is not the only country with this situation.

I never said or implied that the US is the only country to do that: just
that the rules for national records will be set by a national body, not
the FAI.

The UK has a very similar rule. National records must be set by UK
citizens but can be set anywhere in the world. I know of at least one UK
record that was set in Patagonia.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

If Quatemalan 100m sprinter runs under their national record in Japan,
SURE it is Quatemalian record. Right? Same goes with gliding. Some
countries has national records in two categories. Flown abroad and
flown home.

On Mar 11, 3:15*am, ppp1 wrote:
On 10 maalis, 22:54, Martin Gregorie
wrote:



On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:27:04 -0800, Tony wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:15*am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:34 -0800, Tony wrote:
I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on the
location of the actual flight? *This leads to very misleading
listings of National Records. *For example the World Altitude Record
of Fossett and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina but
shows up as a US Multiplace National Record when in fact no
multiplace glider has ever flown that high in the US. *Similar with
the 1500 km that Fossett and Delore flew in Argentina. *What was the
FAI thinking when they decided to use citizenship instead of the
country where you start your flight? Surely they had a reason.

Isn't that a question for the US national aeroclub?

Of course the FAI administers world records, but I think you'll find
that US national records are the responsibility of your national aero
club and that they set the rules about who can hold a national record
and where, geographically, it can be set.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

OK then, why are US records based on citizenship instead of geographic
location? *Although the one thread I did find here on the subject seemed
to indicate that the US is not the only country with this situation.

I never said or implied that the US is the only country to do that: just
that the rules for national records will be set by a national body, not
the FAI.

The UK has a very similar rule. National records must be set by UK
citizens but can be set anywhere in the world. I know of at least one UK
record that was set in Patagonia.

--
martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

If Quatemalan 100m sprinter runs under their national record in Japan,
SURE it is Quatemalian record. Right? Same goes with gliding. Some
countries has national records in two categories. Flown abroad and
flown home.

sure but you could run a 100 meter dash in any country in the world
and expect basically the same performance of the same runner. Run a
100 km triangle in any country in the world with same pilot and same
glider and you would expect a large difference in performance.

The UK has British National Records that must be flown by UK Citizens but
can be set anywhere in the World and UK Local Records that can be set by
any Nationality on flights starting within the UK. Only the Absolute
Altitude and Gain of Height Records appear on both lists. The National
Records are FAI mandated, the UK Local ones are purely a BGA thing, I
don't know if other countries have local records or not. You can see the
point in the UK with our lousy weather.

At 20:54 10 March 2011, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:27:04 -0800, Tony wrote:

On Mar 10, 10:15Â*am, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:34 -0800, Tony wrote:
I couldn't find much on a search but am really curious as to why
apparently National records are based on citizenship and not on the
location of the actual flight? Â*This leads to very misleading
listings of National Records. Â*For example the World Altitude
Record
of Fossett and Enevoldsen of 50,721 ft was flown in Argentina but
shows up as a US Multiplace National Record when in fact no
multiplace glider has ever flown that high in the US. Â*Similar
with
the 1500 km that Fossett and Delore flew in Argentina. Â*What was
the
FAI thinking when they decided to use citizenship instead of the
country where you start your flight? Surely they had a reason.

Isn't that a question for the US national aeroclub?

Of course the FAI administers world records, but I think you'll find
that US national records are the responsibility of your national aero
club and that they set the rules about who can hold a national record
and where, geographically, it can be set.

--
martin@ Â* | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org Â* Â* Â* |

OK then, why are US records based on citizenship instead of geographic
location? Although the one thread I did find here on the subject
seemed
to indicate that the US is not the only country with this situation.

I never said or implied that the US is the only country to do that: just

that the rules for national records will be set by a national body, not
the FAI.

The UK has a very similar rule. National records must be set by UK
citizens but can be set anywhere in the world. I know of at least one UK

record that was set in Patagonia.



--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |