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skyrides are at it again?
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides. Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the certificates it sells. Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. These customers call a gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides company. Can any of the operators confirm this? |
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skyrides are at it again?
On Aug 22, 2:06*pm, Rex Mayes wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides. Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the certificates it sells. *Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. *These customers call a gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides company. Can any of the operators confirm this? Contact Rob Barber (GA) and discuss this directly. I've had some recent discussions with him on this matter, including the issues caused by Sky Rides and the type of approach needed to make it acceptable. He should not be offering certificates and packages for those clubs and commercial operators that he doesn't have an agreement with to do so. Frank Whiteley |
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skyrides are at it again?
Discuss? Right approach?
These folks have a history of operating cons and scams. They've been investigated by multiple media sources and consumer affairs groups. They've had membership of organizations like the PGA suspended. WTF is there to discuss? These folks should never be an SSA business member and this just needs to be undone asap. http://www.1800skyrideripoff.com/adventure http://www.hotairballooning.com/thrillplanet.php http://skydivekansas.com/resources/scam.shtml Just Google any of these name, they are all Ben Butler and the other same assholes. Darryl |
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skyrides are at it again?
WTF. Listed there at http://www.ssa.org/affiliates/busmembers.asp
Soaring Sports 2593 Kennesaw Due West Rd NW Kennesaw, GA 30144 The Georgia address should have been a clue. I guess somebody at the SSA was asleep given all the past publicity these scammers have generated here and elsewhere and the efforts of folks like Drew Pearce to warn the soaring community about these folks. I'll be very disappointed with the SSA when I check tomorrow if this con scheme is still listed as a business affiliates. Darryl |
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skyrides are at it again?
On Aug 22, 1:06*pm, Rex Mayes wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides. Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the certificates it sells. *Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. *These customers call a gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides company. Can any of the operators confirm this? I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at the time. But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it soon. I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to make a profit? |
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skyrides are at it again?
Who is "Mr. Barber"? These guys are a scam factory that has hundreds of web sites. They were prosecuted by the state of Georgia who prevailed and the parent company are under a consent order to control how they operate. A copy of that order is here http://funjumper.com/skyride/gadoc.pdf. A quick look at some of their web sites shows they are likely in violation of some of the terms of that consent order. Unfortunately there are lots of tangled companies and web sites so unraveling this can be a mess, and who knows what games they are playing now with company registrations, registered company directors, web sites etc. It is a scam, sorry that SSA folks got suckered by them. What matters now is the SSA executing fast and removing them from any involvement with the SSA. I should also point out that the company SkySports is not a registered business in Georgia (go check http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/csearch.asp), I would really appreciate the SSA checking that companies they list a partners are actual legal business entities and if operating under a DBA then provide that information. Darryl |
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skyrides are at it again?
On Aug 22, 5:10*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Who is "Mr. Barber"? These guys are a scam factory that has hundreds of web sites. They were prosecuted by the state of Georgia who prevailed and the parent company are under a consent order to control how they operate. *A copy of that order is here *http://funjumper.com/skyride/gadoc.pdf. A quick look at some of their web sites shows they are likely in violation of some of the terms of that consent order. Unfortunately there are lots of tangled companies and web sites so unraveling this can be a mess, and who knows what games they are playing now with company registrations, registered company directors, web sites etc. It is a scam, sorry that SSA folks got suckered by them. What matters now is the SSA executing fast and removing them from any involvement with the SSA. I should also point out that the company SkySports is not a registered business in Georgia (go checkhttp://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/csearch.asp), I would really appreciate the SSA checking that companies they list a partners are actual legal business entities and if operating under a DBA then provide that information. Darryl Besides scamming people out of their money, as an example of their shady practice, I found some of my photos in their website taken without permission. I also found a photo taken by a friend from inside the cockpit where his legs were hidden behind the instrument panel. They used his photo to show that handicap people can also fly... Ramy |
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skyrides are at it again?
Hey speaking of them stealing web content is that a stolen photo of a BASA Pegasus on their web page top left corner header at http://www.1800skyride.com/sports/ad...ides/index.php
Darryl |
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skyrides are at it again?
I'll continue this conversation with myself :-)
I thought I recognized that photo. Its a BASA (Bay Area Soaring Associates) glider. The image is likely stolen from here http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/001070.html I've let Jeremy know. BTW it is kind of ironic they stole a photo of a BASA glider since BASA works with Hollister Soaring for tows in the SF Bay Area and that Drew Pearce the previous owner of Hollister Soaring had major issues with people turning up tryign to redeem these scam coupons for Glider Rides. Drew had put together material online and information he sent out to other glider FBOs etc.. (and I expect but am not sure that this also went to the SSA as well). I can't find that now but some of Drew's comments from those experiences are at http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...am-c14757.html Darryl |
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skyrides are at it again?
It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.
One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides. See: http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510 No accident the web link leads you to: www.lvvsa.org and their phone number. According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization. Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides although an SSA afiliated club. Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost revenues? See: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606 So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or the bond and note holders. Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs. CLYDE R. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote: On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes wrote: It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides. Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides company. Can any of the operators confirm this? I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at the time. But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it soon. I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to make a profit? |
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