Takeoff with a problem?

This is a loaded question and I suspect most will adamently say they
would not! However, it isn't too hard to come up with a number of
scenarios in which a pilot would take off with known "legal" problems
that are not affecting safety of flight, and some which are mechanical
problems that do affect safe flight in a very personal manner.
Now I am going to sit back and watch the weekend pilots take their
best shots, and hope to see some pros who have been out in the bush
and had to make the hard decision as to take off or sit and wait for
help.
In years past, I have had to do some flying that I probably would have
fired pilots over if they were flying off concrete and wearing ties
and white shirts.
Like I said, this is a trick question and meant to stir the pot to
create some very real day to day scenarios.
Ol Shy & Bashful

Flyingrock

Just a little gas on the fire.

During my career in the Air Force, I rarely flew a bird without some
deferred write up in the Form One.

Rule was if the write up did not effect the safety or mission
accomplishment of flight then you signed off the acceptance and few
the mission.

On my personal GA bird I many times flew it with write ups until I
either had the money or time to get fixed if it did not effect the
safety of flight.

So, all said and done, what's the big deal unless your talking about
the tort system?

Big John
Pilot ROCAF

On 19 Jan 2004 08:36:16 -0800, (Rocky) wrote:

This is a loaded question and I suspect most will adamently say they
would not! However, it isn't too hard to come up with a number of
scenarios in which a pilot would take off with known "legal" problems
that are not affecting safety of flight, and some which are mechanical
problems that do affect safe flight in a very personal manner.
Now I am going to sit back and watch the weekend pilots take their
best shots, and hope to see some pros who have been out in the bush
and had to make the hard decision as to take off or sit and wait for
help.
In years past, I have had to do some flying that I probably would have
fired pilots over if they were flying off concrete and wearing ties
and white shirts.
Like I said, this is a trick question and meant to stir the pot to
create some very real day to day scenarios.
Ol Shy & Bashful

Big John wrote in message . ..
Flyingrock

Just a little gas on the fire.

During my career in the Air Force, I rarely flew a bird without some
deferred write up in the Form One.

Rule was if the write up did not effect the safety or mission
accomplishment of flight then you signed off the acceptance and few
the mission.

On my personal GA bird I many times flew it with write ups until I
either had the money or time to get fixed if it did not effect the
safety of flight.

So, all said and done, what's the big deal unless your talking about
the tort system?

Big John
Pilot ROCAF

Big John
Glad to see the healthy responses to the post. I've been accused of
being a stupid sh** or a troll for some of my posts but I always
thought the NG was to share info instead of being accusatory about
anything that smacked of "outside the boundaries".....
As a point of curiosity...what is ROCAF?
Would you consider a rotor RPM gage going inop during operations
sufficient to quit for the day? I suppose you could equate that with
the RPM gage going B.O. in nearly any aircraft?!
Of course there is always the spectre of the tort system, and the FAA
if there is some kind of investigation as a result of an accident or
incident. That is a subject that could take a whole new area of
discussion!
Best Regards and Cheers
FlyinRock

On 19 Jan 2004 08:36:16 -0800, (Rocky) wrote:

This is a loaded question and I suspect most will adamently say they
would not! However, it isn't too hard to come up with a number of
scenarios in which a pilot would take off with known "legal" problems
that are not affecting safety of flight, and some which are mechanical
problems that do affect safe flight in a very personal manner.
Now I am going to sit back and watch the weekend pilots take their
best shots, and hope to see some pros who have been out in the bush
and had to make the hard decision as to take off or sit and wait for
help.
In years past, I have had to do some flying that I probably would have
fired pilots over if they were flying off concrete and wearing ties
and white shirts.
Like I said, this is a trick question and meant to stir the pot to
create some very real day to day scenarios.
Ol Shy & Bashful

Rocky

ROCAF = Republic of China Air Force. Long story how I was awarded
their wings. US rules required I had to store them with the State
Department in Washington, DC until I retired.

The items you cite would ground a Aircraft/Chopper in almost any/all
circumstances.

You've got to remember that there are certain MEL rules that would
prevent you from legally flying with items inop.

Big John
Pilot ROCAF


On 20 Jan 2004 07:00:47 -0800, (Rocky) wrote:

Big John wrote in message . ..
Flyingrock

Just a little gas on the fire.

During my career in the Air Force, I rarely flew a bird without some
deferred write up in the Form One.

Rule was if the write up did not effect the safety or mission
accomplishment of flight then you signed off the acceptance and few
the mission.

On my personal GA bird I many times flew it with write ups until I
either had the money or time to get fixed if it did not effect the
safety of flight.

So, all said and done, what's the big deal unless your talking about
the tort system?

Big John
Pilot ROCAF

Big John
Glad to see the healthy responses to the post. I've been accused of
being a stupid sh** or a troll for some of my posts but I always
thought the NG was to share info instead of being accusatory about
anything that smacked of "outside the boundaries".....
As a point of curiosity...what is ROCAF?
Would you consider a rotor RPM gage going inop during operations
sufficient to quit for the day? I suppose you could equate that with
the RPM gage going B.O. in nearly any aircraft?!
Of course there is always the spectre of the tort system, and the FAA
if there is some kind of investigation as a result of an accident or
incident. That is a subject that could take a whole new area of
discussion!
Best Regards and Cheers
FlyinRock

On 19 Jan 2004 08:36:16 -0800, (Rocky) wrote:

This is a loaded question and I suspect most will adamently say they
would not! However, it isn't too hard to come up with a number of
scenarios in which a pilot would take off with known "legal" problems
that are not affecting safety of flight, and some which are mechanical
problems that do affect safe flight in a very personal manner.
Now I am going to sit back and watch the weekend pilots take their
best shots, and hope to see some pros who have been out in the bush
and had to make the hard decision as to take off or sit and wait for
help.
In years past, I have had to do some flying that I probably would have
fired pilots over if they were flying off concrete and wearing ties
and white shirts.
Like I said, this is a trick question and meant to stir the pot to
create some very real day to day scenarios.
Ol Shy & Bashful

"Big John" wrote, "ROCAF = Republic of China Air Force. Long story how I was
awarded their wings. ..."

Let's hear it!

Jon

Joh

If I told you I'd have to kill you (

Big John
Pilot ROCAF


On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:15:15 GMT, "Jon Woellhaf"
wrote:

"Big John" wrote, "ROCAF = Republic of China Air Force. Long story how I was
awarded their wings. ..."

Let's hear it!

Jon

"Rocky" wrote in message
om...
This is a loaded question and I suspect most will adamently say they
would not! However, it isn't too hard to come up with a number of
scenarios in which a pilot would take off with known "legal" problems
that are not affecting safety of flight, and some which are mechanical
problems that do affect safe flight in a very personal manner.

Friday evening I got in a rented 172, solo, and the red "high voltage" idiot
light went on. However, I did taxi out, tried a runup, and ran the
appropriate checklist without luck. It was a humid evening, with a slight
possibility of the weather suddenly going IMC, so I went back and squawked
it. Afterwards I wondered if I had maybe split the switch (most unlikely; I
never do that on a routine basis and I had cycled the switch twice). I also
asked myself whether I would have departed if I had "jiggled" the alternator
side and that had turned the red light off - I think not. The mission was
just for fun and currency, easy to cancel, and I definitely wouldn't have
taken passengers at night with a questionable electrical system. BTDT.

Next day they couldn't reproduce the fault, flew the plane without problem,
but decided not to bill me for night taxi practice, and that evening I tried
again, same plane. It was a dry night and quiet in the air, so very little
danger even if it fritzed, which it didn't of course.

I didn't log it as 0.3 pilot time, although I could be persuaded that the
experience does fall into the Commercial areas of operation requirement.

Comments: excess of caution on day 1, foolhardy on day 2?

-- David Brooks

This is a loaded question and I suspect most will adamently say they
would not! However, it isn't too hard to come up with a number of
scenarios in which a pilot would take off with known "legal" problems
that are not affecting safety of flight, and some which are mechanical
problems that do affect safe flight in a very personal manner.
Now I am going to sit back and watch the weekend pilots take their
best shots, and hope to see some pros who have been out in the bush
and had to make the hard decision as to take off or sit and wait for
help.
In years past, I have had to do some flying that I probably would have
fired pilots over if they were flying off concrete and wearing ties
and white shirts.
Like I said, this is a trick question and meant to stir the pot to
create some very real day to day scenarios.
Ol Shy & Bashful

This happens every day all over the country in all types of aircraft. It's
part of the pilot's decision process. I've ferried planes where one of us
flew and the other guy was under the panel making repairs while the pilot
held the flashlight for him.

"David" wrote in message ...
This is a loaded question and I suspect most will adamently say they
would not! However, it isn't too hard to come up with a number of
scenarios in which a pilot would take off with known "legal" problems
that are not affecting safety of flight, and some which are mechanical
problems that do affect safe flight in a very personal manner.
Now I am going to sit back and watch the weekend pilots take their
best shots, and hope to see some pros who have been out in the bush
and had to make the hard decision as to take off or sit and wait for
help.
In years past, I have had to do some flying that I probably would have
fired pilots over if they were flying off concrete and wearing ties
and white shirts.
Like I said, this is a trick question and meant to stir the pot to
create some very real day to day scenarios.
Ol Shy & Bashful

This happens every day all over the country in all types of aircraft. It's
part of the pilot's decision process. I've ferried planes where one of us
flew and the other guy was under the panel making repairs while the pilot
held the flashlight for him.

Hi
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Have you been
accused of full of sh** for such statements? As I've said before, my
feelings have always beeen that the NG is partly to share info that
could be of interest to pilots who have never seen or been presented
with unusual circumstances that required a judgement call. I'm hoping
to smoke out some of the pros who lurk and get their input. My
logbooks are full of interesting incidents around the world in
equipment that would make many shudder with either disgust or
disbelief. Thanks
FlyinRock aka Ol Shy & Bashful

Anybody can fly an airplane that's perfect.
--
Gene Seibel - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


(Rocky) wrote in message . com...

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Have you been
accused of full of sh** for such statements? As I've said before, my
feelings have always beeen that the NG is partly to share info that
could be of interest to pilots who have never seen or been presented
with unusual circumstances that required a judgement call. I'm hoping
to smoke out some of the pros who lurk and get their input. My
logbooks are full of interesting incidents around the world in
equipment that would make many shudder with either disgust or
disbelief. Thanks
FlyinRock aka Ol Shy & Bashful