Offering the Middle-digit Salute in Response to Brazil

Proof, that what goes around, comes around:


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AVflash Volume 10, Number 04a -- January 19, 2004
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....AND BIRD-FLIPPING PILOT RILES BRAZILIANS
Capt. Dale Robin Hersh discovered the Brazilian authorities' preferred
level of etiquette after last Wednesday allegedly offering the
middle-digit salute in response to Brazil's new requirement that
American visitors submit to photographs and fingerprinting ... which
is how Brazilians are welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules.
Hersh's alleged gesture (maybe that's how he always holds things)
landed him in a federal courthouse where formal charges awaited, but
"Since this was a minor crime, I proposed that he be fined $12,750,
which will be donated to a home for the elderly," Matheus Baraldi
Magnani told the Associated Press.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186508

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Proof, that what goes around, comes around:


What is it that you believe is coming around?

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:37:51 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Proof, that what goes around, comes around:


What is it that you believe is coming around?


The article contained this bit of information:

"Brazil's new requirement that American visitors submit to
photographs and fingerprinting ... which is how Brazilians are
welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules."

I would say that the U.S. instituted practice of fingerprinting and
photographing airline passengers entering our country may spark
similar indignities for U.S. passengers entering foreign countries.

Additionally, the unprofessional conduct of Capt. Dale Robin Hersh
earned him the fine he deserved IMO.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

The article contained this bit of information:

"Brazil's new requirement that American visitors submit to
photographs and fingerprinting ... which is how Brazilians are
welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules."

I would say that the U.S. instituted practice of fingerprinting and
photographing airline passengers entering our country may spark
similar indignities for U.S. passengers entering foreign countries.


But why just for US passengers? The US didn't single out Brazil or any
other individual country, the requirement applies to all passengers not
otherwise documented.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:30:57 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in Message-Id:
.net:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .

The article contained this bit of information:

"Brazil's new requirement that American visitors submit to
photographs and fingerprinting ... which is how Brazilians are
welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules."

I would say that the U.S. instituted practice of fingerprinting and
photographing airline passengers entering our country may spark
similar indignities for U.S. passengers entering foreign countries.


But why just for US passengers? The US didn't single out Brazil or any
other individual country, the requirement applies to all passengers not
otherwise documented.

What does your phrase "not otherwise documented" mean? Other than
what? Aren't all international travelers required to possess a
Passport?

Are you saying that ALL airline passengers entering the US are
currently being fingerprinted and photographed? If so, this is the
first I've heard of that practice being instituted.

Your reply implies that you believe that Brazil has "singled out" US
passengers for fingerprinting and photographing. Are you able to
provide a credible citation substantiating that contention? The
quoted article's lack of explicitly stating that Brazil is requiring
fingerprinting and photographing _solely_ of US passengers is
ambiguous IMO.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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What does your phrase "not otherwise documented" mean? Other than
what? Aren't all international travelers required to possess a
Passport?


No, not all international travelers entering the US are required to possess
a passport.



Are you saying that ALL airline passengers entering the US are
currently being fingerprinted and photographed? If so, this is the
first I've heard of that practice being instituted.


No, I'm not saying that ALL airline passengers entering the US are currently
being fingerprinted and photographed. Many nations are exempt, but Brazil
isn't one of them. There are several requirements to be exempt. The nation
must issue passports that can be scanned by machine, they must also
''demonstrate that adequate safeguards against fraudulent use of their
passports are in place.'' Forged documents are apparently easy to come by
in Brazil.



Your reply implies that you believe that Brazil has "singled out" US
passengers for fingerprinting and photographing. Are you able to
provide a credible citation substantiating that contention?


"Brazil began on Jan. 1 to fingerprint and photograph all American citizens
arriving here in response to Washington's new policy, which went into effect
on Jan. 5. A judge in a remote state said the action was necessary because
U.S. policy was ''xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors of the Nazis,''
and the Foreign Ministry endorsed his order, arguing that ''reciprocity is a
basic element of foreign relations.''


http://www.iht.com/articles/124703.html

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:30:57 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in Message-Id:
.net:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .

The article contained this bit of information:

"Brazil's new requirement that American visitors submit to
photographs and fingerprinting ... which is how Brazilians are
welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules."

I would say that the U.S. instituted practice of fingerprinting and
photographing airline passengers entering our country may spark
similar indignities for U.S. passengers entering foreign countries.


But why just for US passengers? The US didn't single out Brazil or any
other individual country, the requirement applies to all passengers not
otherwise documented.

What does your phrase "not otherwise documented" mean? Other than
what? Aren't all international travelers required to possess a
Passport?

Are you saying that ALL airline passengers entering the US are
currently being fingerprinted and photographed? If so, this is the
first I've heard of that practice being instituted.

Your reply implies that you believe that Brazil has "singled out" US
passengers for fingerprinting and photographing. Are you able to
provide a credible citation substantiating that contention? The
quoted article's lack of explicitly stating that Brazil is requiring
fingerprinting and photographing _solely_ of US passengers is
ambiguous IMO.




First, the US is photographing and fingerprinting all foreign nationals that
are required to have a Visa to enter the USA. Brazil is included in that
group. Brazil is ONLY photographing & fingerprinting US citizens.

Is this fair? Sure it is. Brazil is a sovereign nation and can control their
borders any way they choose. Is it being done because we are doing it to
them and not for security reasons? Sure it is, but again it is their country
and they can do what they want to do at its' borders.

If anyone as an American citizen doesn't like it don't go to Brazil.

Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

The article contained this bit of information:

"Brazil's new requirement that American visitors submit to
photographs and fingerprinting ... which is how Brazilians are
welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules."

I would say that the U.S. instituted practice of fingerprinting and
photographing airline passengers entering our country may spark
similar indignities for U.S. passengers entering foreign countries.


But why just for US passengers? The US didn't single out Brazil or
any other individual country, the requirement applies to all
passengers not otherwise documented.

Simple: it is called reciprocal.
If you let my citizen into your country without a visa, then I will let your
citizen into my country without a visa.
If you are charging my citizien 200$ processing fee, them I will charge your
citizen 200$ processing fee.
If you don't require my citizen to present a passport (just an ID is good
enough), then I don't require your citizen do present a passport.
If you are fingerprinting my citizen, then I will fingerprint your citizen.

I am glad that Brazil had the guts to stand up against arrogance.

jue

Additionally, the unprofessional conduct of Capt. Dale Robin Hersh
earned him the fine he deserved IMO.


I agree.
It appears to me the Brazilian authorities were taking purile punitive
retaliation, but it does not excuse "ugly American" actions such as this.

"Casey Wilson" wrote in message


It appears to me the Brazilian authorities were taking purile
punitive retaliation, but it does not excuse "ugly American" actions
such as this.

Maybe, but would American officials put a foreign national on trial for
flipping off the airport camera? I doubt it based on that alone.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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