New Charts to have DC ADIZ on them

I saw that item in AOPA's web site and found one other interesting
thing:

According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ
to them every two months. --WTF?

Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland
Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think
the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC?

Grrrrrrr... ~(


Jake Brodsky,
PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME
Amateur Radio Station AB3A

"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message


According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ
to them every two months. --WTF?

Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland
Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think
the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC?

The FAA still implements the airspace restrictions even if said restrictions
are at the behest of other organizations.

My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not
justified?

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________

Just do what Mayor Daley did to Meigs Field in Chicago when he didn't get
the restrictions he wanted...just take a backhoe out to Reagan at 3:00 in
the morning and cut big "X"'s the length of the runways!


"John T" wrote in message
ws.com...
"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message


According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ
to them every two months. --WTF?

Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland
Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think
the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC?

The FAA still implements the airspace restrictions even if said
restrictions
are at the behest of other organizations.

My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not
justified?

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:13:01 GMT, "John T" wrote:

My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not
justified?

And I'll pose another question right back: HOW can the FAA say the
that the restrictions are not justified? They don't even work for the
same department!

The only justification the FAA could offer is that the ADIZ is
ineffective. The appropriate response would be to tie both the FAA
and the pilot community in to even bigger knots and to jump through
even more hoops. The FAA may be inefficient, but like any government
agency, they know how to protect their own from an unwinnable battle.

I don't see how your hypothetical scenario could ever happen.


Jake Brodsky,
PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME
Amateur Radio Station AB3A

"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message


I don't see how your hypothetical scenario could ever happen.

"I have a dream..."

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________

Jake Brodsky wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:13:01 GMT, "John T" wrote:

My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not
justified?

And I'll pose another question right back: HOW can the FAA say the
that the restrictions are not justified? They don't even work for the
same department!


The FAA has really only one answer: we're told to do this.

- Andrew

"John T" wrote in message ws.com...
My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not
justified?

I believe the FAA already believes the restrictions aren't justified.
Unfortunately they aren't running the show.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message


I believe the FAA already believes the restrictions aren't justified.
Unfortunately they aren't running the show.

That's my understanding, as well, which is why I think Jay is correct in
that the FAA will continue to say:

"Other government agencies are providing 'clear and credible' evidence that
these restrictions are necessary."

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________

My guess is that it is all a political ploy. The FAA doesn't have to
justify the effectiveness of the security itself, just the ADIZ
implementation. They do this by saying that the ADIZ is the only way to
positively identify all aircraft within 30 NM of DC, as per the
requirement imposed upon them by the TSA, SS, Hom-a-land Security
Commission, or whomever. I would think that it is not within the scope of
the FAA's responsibility (or even their privileged knowledge) to identify
the reasons behind the request for this positive identification, only
that they have acted appropriately upon it, and will continue to do so
until the request is rescinded/cancelled/eliminated.

They probably do not have access to the so-called "sensitive chatter
transmissions" or whatever other bull**** "evidence" the buearacrats have
to justify the request. But again, in a buearacracy, it's not about sound
logic - it's about passing the buck while creating the illusion of
accountability. So when Congress gets up and asks for accountability from
a place where they know accountability is not available, the public (or
in this case, the pilots and airlines) think they are doing something
positive for them.

Now they can tell all the pilots and airline execs, "Look what we are
doing to support you, now vote for me!" And they think we are as stupid
as the rest of the public and don't know what's really going on...



"John T" wrote in
ws.com:

"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message


According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ
to them every two months. --WTF?

Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland
Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think
the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC?

The FAA still implements the airspace restrictions even if said
restrictions are at the behest of other organizations.

My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are
not justified?

Jake Brodsky wrote:
I saw that item in AOPA's web site and found one other interesting
thing:
According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ
to them every two months. --WTF?
Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland
Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think
the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC?

Yes, and that's why it's a farce. Every 2 months, the FAA will tell
Congress "The Department of Homeland Defense, as well as the Secret
Service, is requiring it", and nothing else will happen.

--- Jay

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