Freelance CFIs and plane rentals??

I posted a message awhile back about one of my relatives offering me
free flight instruction. He's a very experienced airline pilot and
has done a lot of CFI work in the past. He's still current on his CFI
rating, and the plan is to begin training in June (when I have more
money and he has more time).

Do you think there will be any problem with one of the local FBOs
renting us a plane for my training? Obviously they'll want to check
him out and see his history, but beyond that is there anything I need
to know? Obviously we should just make a couple of calls and see what
their policy is, but I just wanted to know if this was a common
situation or not first. TIA!

Sam

Situations vary between schools and insurance carriers, but the ones I am
familiar with require that airplanes covered by the FBO policy be flown by
instructors employed by the FBO. Airline pilot and experience don't count
as much as being an employee. But maybe your situation is different.

Bob Gardner

"Sam" wrote in message
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I posted a message awhile back about one of my relatives offering me
free flight instruction. He's a very experienced airline pilot and
has done a lot of CFI work in the past. He's still current on his CFI
rating, and the plan is to begin training in June (when I have more
money and he has more time).

Do you think there will be any problem with one of the local FBOs
renting us a plane for my training? Obviously they'll want to check
him out and see his history, but beyond that is there anything I need
to know? Obviously we should just make a couple of calls and see what
their policy is, but I just wanted to know if this was a common
situation or not first. TIA!

Sam

If you can't find an FBO to rent the plane for this, you may be able to find
plane owners who rent planes. It is not uncommon.

You will probably have to beat the bushes a bit more to find them , but they
are out there.


"Sam" wrote in message
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I posted a message awhile back about one of my relatives offering me
free flight instruction. He's a very experienced airline pilot and
has done a lot of CFI work in the past. He's still current on his CFI
rating, and the plan is to begin training in June (when I have more
money and he has more time).

Do you think there will be any problem with one of the local FBOs
renting us a plane for my training? Obviously they'll want to check
him out and see his history, but beyond that is there anything I need
to know? Obviously we should just make a couple of calls and see what
their policy is, but I just wanted to know if this was a common
situation or not first. TIA!

Sam

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message . net...
If you can't find an FBO to rent the plane for this, you may be able to find
plane owners who rent planes. It is not uncommon.

You will probably have to beat the bushes a bit more to find them , but they
are out there.

But very, very expensive. Figure an extra $6000/year in insurance.

Not sure what you mean here. Who pays for the insurance. From what I saw
the rates for private pilot rentals for lessons was very comparable to the
local FBOs. (a little lower actually)

I am not talking about a person who has his own plane and rents it out once
in a while - rather a person with one more who owns them primarily as a
business proposition. So how is the individual owner's insurance more than
the FBO and how is that going to make it more expensive?


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
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If you can't find an FBO to rent the plane for this, you may be able to
find
plane owners who rent planes. It is not uncommon.

You will probably have to beat the bushes a bit more to find them , but
they
are out there.

But very, very expensive. Figure an extra $6000/year in insurance.

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message . net...
Not sure what you mean here. Who pays for the insurance. From what I saw
the rates for private pilot rentals for lessons was very comparable to the
local FBOs. (a little lower actually)

I am not talking about a person who has his own plane and rents it out once
in a while - rather a person with one more who owns them primarily as a
business proposition. So how is the individual owner's insurance more than
the FBO and how is that going to make it more expensive?

You just have the mimimum of 3 planes for new policies otherwise you
end up paying an unworkable amount for your insurance. If you have an
existing policy you can probably continue to renew it.

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message et...

I am not talking about a person who has his own plane and rents it out once
in a while - rather a person with one more who owns them primarily as a
business proposition. So how is the individual owner's insurance more than
the FBO and how is that going to make it more expensive?

In order to insure for flight instruction use (other than the owner/named insured)
generally triples the insurance cost. Doesn't make any difference if it only gets
rented once a week or in every two hour block all week long.

The problem is usually one of insurance. The FBO's insurer insists that
instruction be given only by instructors employed by the FBO. The FBO may
also object to providing an airplane for an instructor that it perceives is
competing with its own business.

If you do find a private individual who is willing to rent his plane to you
for instruction, be sure to carry your own renter's insurance. The airplane
is required to have 100 hour inspections if used for rental.

Flying clubs often welcome free-lance instructors. You and your instructor
could consider joining such a club.

Actually buying an airplane and learning to fly in it can be cheaper than
renting. I have known people who did this and who ended up selling the plane
for more than they paid for it.

owners renting out their aircraft for instruction... may not have the "open
pilot policy" that allows for student solo operations..

BT

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The problem is usually one of insurance. The FBO's insurer insists that
instruction be given only by instructors employed by the FBO. The FBO may
also object to providing an airplane for an instructor that it perceives
is
competing with its own business.

If you do find a private individual who is willing to rent his plane to
you
for instruction, be sure to carry your own renter's insurance. The
airplane
is required to have 100 hour inspections if used for rental.

Flying clubs often welcome free-lance instructors. You and your instructor
could consider joining such a club.

Actually buying an airplane and learning to fly in it can be cheaper than
renting. I have known people who did this and who ended up selling the
plane
for more than they paid for it.

"BTIZ" wrote in message news:oYf_b.30140$tM5.14018@fed1read04...
owners renting out their aircraft for instruction... may not have the "open
pilot policy" that allows for student solo operations..


Private owners are not likely to have insurance that covers this at
all. Open pilot would apply to someone else flying your plane, but
does not generally extend to a rental arrangement. This would take
the plane out of the business/pleasure class of insurance and into the
commercial (read: big bucks) class.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)