Fatalitys in Namabia

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:29:42 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Those of you that have flown in NZ probably know these men. They will be missed.http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...a-glider-crash

With flaps in positive position and in a spiral dive the speed limit is
quickly exceeded - and parts (ie. a wing) can come off of the glider -

Sounds like Ivan/Eagen accident in a Nimbus 4M that shed the outboard wings in a spiral dive. I have always thought it was a case of "Who's flying this machine".................Think about it...................I think you are flying, you think I am flying, truth is nobody is flying the machine. The 'un-flown' machine stumbles into a strong shear and drops a wing.............I think you are entering a thermal, you think I am entering a thermal. Nose of this un-flown machine drops and suddenly we are BOTH FLYING the machine!

Always shake the stick and say, "I have the aircraft"

RIP, guys
JJ

On Friday, 12 December 2014 14:34:10 UTC, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Sounds like Ivan/Eagen accident in a Nimbus 4M that shed the outboard wings in a spiral dive. I have always thought it was a case of "Who's flying this machine".................Think about it...................I think you are flying, you think I am flying, truth is nobody is flying the machine. The 'un-flown' machine stumbles into a strong shear and drops a wing.............I think you are entering a thermal, you think I am entering a thermal. Nose of this un-flown machine drops and suddenly we are BOTH FLYING the machine!

Always shake the stick and say, "I have the aircraft"

RIP, guys
JJ

Very strange that the witnesses reported hearing engine noise. I would not expect to combine engine operation with any mode of flight which would result in uncontrolled departure.

On Friday, December 12, 2014 4:20:49 PM UTC-5, waremark wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 14:34:10 UTC, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Sounds like Ivan/Eagen accident in a Nimbus 4M that shed the outboard wings in a spiral dive. I have always thought it was a case of "Who's flying this machine".................Think about it...................I think you are flying, you think I am flying, truth is nobody is flying the machine. The 'un-flown' machine stumbles into a strong shear and drops a wing.............I think you are entering a thermal, you think I am entering a thermal. Nose of this un-flown machine drops and suddenly we are BOTH FLYING the machine!

Always shake the stick and say, "I have the aircraft"

RIP, guys
JJ

Very strange that the witnesses reported hearing engine noise. I would not expect to combine engine operation with any mode of flight which would result in uncontrolled departure.

Since we're deep into speculation mode... high speed flutter and shredding of composite structures has a way of sounding like a sick engine. There was an old super-8 movie in the flight research lab at school of a flutter test to destruction. Before everything broke apart, it sounded much like a two-stroke weedwhacker going at it full bore.

Motor noise would make communication even harder. ...............Bill says; "Don, change frequency to 123.5", then shortly after that, Bill detects thermal activity and says " You got it", meaning he wants Don to fly the ship as he shuts down the engine. Don replies, "yep", meaning he has changed the frequency. Who's flying the ship? NOBODY! Don was an experienced fighter pilot and he would have said, "I have the aircraft "and shook the stick, if he was assuming control, but he wasn't. When Bill didn't get the proper response, he should have re-stated his request.
JJ

Perhaps people with zero information on this crash should not comment.
Two great guys were lost, from what can be seen so far, lost in a way that

could not easily have been avoided.


Engine running, wing came off, evidence of fire at wreck, possibly
parachutes
deployed.

It will be some time before much detail comes from any investigation.

Tom




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At 14:02 13 December 2014, JJ Sinclair wrote:
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esponse, he should have re-stated his request.
JJ