ILEC File Transfer with Pocket PC

Hi,

I have just completed testing of a method for uploading waypoint databases
and downloading flight logs from an ILEC SN-10 to a Pocket PC. Details are
found on my ILEC page: http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ilec.htm

It worked great. It is easy for a Pocket PC power user like me but may or
may not be easy to do for those not as familiar with Pocket PCs and PCs. I
have documented the procedure on the web site.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Paul Remde" wrote in message news:Mtr%c.129224$9d6.51414@attbi_s54...
Hi,

I have just completed testing of a method for uploading waypoint databases
and downloading flight logs from an ILEC SN-10 to a Pocket PC. Details are
found on my ILEC page: http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ilec.htm

It worked great. It is easy for a Pocket PC power user like me but may or
may not be easy to do for those not as familiar with Pocket PCs and PCs. I
have documented the procedure on the web site.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

Nice try Paul, but don't you know there is a bigger divide between PDA
and SN-10 users than between Republicans and Democrats. SN-10 owners
would rather wheel a main frame computer to a glider than admit PDA's
have a place in the cockpit.

Andy (voted PDA)

Exactly!
I won't have one in my house, so why would I have one in my glider?
Cheers!,Pete (stone age troglodyte who remembers dial telephones and cars
you could fix yourself)
Question for the Day. Do you know the name the A-N radio range sytem?
"Andy Durbin" wrote in message
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"Paul Remde" wrote in message
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Hi,

I have just completed testing of a method for uploading waypoint
databases
and downloading flight logs from an ILEC SN-10 to a Pocket PC. Details
are
found on my ILEC page: http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ilec.htm

It worked great. It is easy for a Pocket PC power user like me but may
or
may not be easy to do for those not as familiar with Pocket PCs and PCs.
I
have documented the procedure on the web site.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

Nice try Paul, but don't you know there is a bigger divide between PDA
and SN-10 users than between Republicans and Democrats. SN-10 owners
would rather wheel a main frame computer to a glider than admit PDA's
have a place in the cockpit.

Andy (voted PDA)

Hi Andy,

You would think that is true, but actually, some SN-10 owners to have a
Pocket PC connected to it for use in flight. Not many, but some.

Also, the idea here is not to use the Pocket PC in flight, but to avoid the
need to power-up a laptop at the airport. For pilots just buying an SN-10
it is much easier to buy a Pocket PC than a laptop to use at the airport.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com


"Andy Durbin" wrote in message
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"Paul Remde" wrote in message
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Hi,

I have just completed testing of a method for uploading waypoint
databases
and downloading flight logs from an ILEC SN-10 to a Pocket PC. Details
are
found on my ILEC page: http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ilec.htm

It worked great. It is easy for a Pocket PC power user like me but may
or
may not be easy to do for those not as familiar with Pocket PCs and PCs.
I
have documented the procedure on the web site.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

Nice try Paul, but don't you know there is a bigger divide between PDA
and SN-10 users than between Republicans and Democrats. SN-10 owners
would rather wheel a main frame computer to a glider than admit PDA's
have a place in the cockpit.

Andy (voted PDA)

Actually, I think a lot of SN10 owners will switch to a PDA to
download logger files and upload turnpoints (I probably will) - they
just insist that their cockpit displays actually be visible inflight,
not just indoors!

Being able to do it with a PDA makes the SN10 even more convenient.
Cool!

Now I have to find a PDA with an USB port, so I don't have to buy
another piece of hardware (card reader).

Kirk

Hi Kirk,

Most every current PDA comes with a USB sync cradle.

If you want something used you might want to check Ed Hollestelle's Solaire
Canada web site at http://www.soliarecanada.com

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com


"Kirk Stant" wrote in message
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Actually, I think a lot of SN10 owners will switch to a PDA to
download logger files and upload turnpoints (I probably will) - they
just insist that their cockpit displays actually be visible inflight,
not just indoors!

Being able to do it with a PDA makes the SN10 even more convenient.
Cool!

Now I have to find a PDA with an USB port, so I don't have to buy
another piece of hardware (card reader).

Kirk

http://www.solairecanada.com

Paul Remde wrote:
Hi Kirk,

Most every current PDA comes with a USB sync cradle.

If you want something used you might want to check Ed Hollestelle's Solaire
Canada web site at http://www.soliarecanada.com

"Paul Remde" wrote in message news:sSN%c.6670$D%.6009@attbi_s51...
Hi Kirk,

Most every current PDA comes with a USB sync cradle.

If you want something used you might want to check Ed Hollestelle's Solaire
Canada web site at http://www.soliarecanada.com

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com


Paul,

Or I can just buy a PDA serial to USB cable and connect my PDA to the
scoring computer via the USB port directly. That way I don't have to
mess around with a data storage device at all! Does the computer have
to have Hotsynch on it to read files from the PDA, or will it see the
PDA as another device? I've got to try that at home.

I just wish I could stick a USB thumb drive directly into a PDA,
instead of having to use a different media that requires a dedicated
reader on the scoring computer.

Aren't computers fun?!

The neat thing is that after you download the log file, you can then
replay it on the PDA in SeeYou Mobile right there at the airport, so
you can get your lies straight before going to the bar.

Kirk

"Paul Remde" wrote in message news:Mtr%c.129224$9d6.51414@attbi_s54...
Hi,

I have just completed testing of a method for uploading waypoint databases
and downloading flight logs from an ILEC SN-10 to a Pocket PC. Details are
found on my ILEC page: http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ilec.htm

It worked great. It is easy for a Pocket PC power user like me but may or
may not be easy to do for those not as familiar with Pocket PCs and PCs. I
have documented the procedure on the web site.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

I've been using this method for a year now, and it works well.
Although if you have your PDA hooked up in flight, you don't need to
download the non-secure SN-10 log, you can just use the non-secure log
from the PDA software. The PocketDOS software also works with the
Volkslogger DOS software, which allows you to download a secure log
without removing the Volkslogger from the glider (and breaking the
seal).

What I would really like to see is for the ILEC SN-10 to work with the
PDA in flight, just like most every other flight computer. I see the
two as complimentary, not mutually exclusive. As I have said
previously, this could be done if the SN-10 software simply outputs
the IGC file B-records in real time on the serial port. This could be
implemented simply without any major code revision.

With this change you could leave the PDA permanently connected to the
ILEC, and you would not need to mess with a download cable at all. In
flight you would use a PDA software like SeeYou Mobile, then after
landing all you would need to do is close this program and open
PocketDOS. By saving the files to a memory card, you don't even have
to remove the PDA from the glider.

I went out and tried this procedure using an Ipaq 3950 and it didn't
work worth a can of beans. I only tried downloading a flight log from
my SN10B. Running PocketDOS and getting the SN10 to recognize the HL
file transfer program worked fine, but as soon as I started to
download the flight log it was apparent that the speed of the download
was INCREDIBLY SLOW! I could live with that, but after a few minutes
of uninterrupted downloading, the connection would self disconnect,
and I would have to start all over again. After fooling around for
about an hour, and only getting 33% of the flight log (a 4 hour
flight) downloaded before it aborted, I quit.

So, am I missing something?

Is there a setting in PocketDOS (or the PDA) that will make the file
transfer faster?

What could be causing the connection to be interrupted? Once I start
it, I walk away and don't touch a thing!

Are there some weird problems with the 3950 that I don't know about?
Mine refuses to format or read SD cards, could that mean that the PDA
is bad?

Has anyone else had any luck with this, or similar problems?

Kirk