I wonder if Chris Thomas is a real pilot? Anybody know?

: Yup. Either Kerry told the truth and should be prosecuted for war
: crimes, or he lied and should be prosecuted for perjury.
:
:Bush is an idiot, period.
:
:Stan K.
:
:Yes, Stank, I stand in awe of the profound logic contained within your
:rebuttal. I can see the Court TV coverage now:
:
:Judge (to Kerry): On the charges of murder in the first degree, and
:the other crimes against humanity, how do you plead?
:
:Attorney for Kerry: Bush is an idiot. The defense rests.
:
:
:My first thought when I read a statement such as "Bush is an idiot, period"
:is...If Bush is such an Idiot and you are so damn smart, why aren't you the
:President?

I'd settle for "what top 3 business school did you get your MBA from?"


I have noticed that a majority of people seem to equate the smooth talking of
someone like Clinton with having superior intellect. My own experiece over the
last half century is just the opposite. Some of the smartest people I have
ever met had great difficulty with public speaking. I remember one kid I went
to school with who had a severe stutter and was constantly being called dummy
by all the other kids. He graduated top of our class and went on to do the
same at MIT.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

:I'd settle for "what top 3 business school did you get your MBA from?"
:
:
:I have noticed that a majority of people seem to equate the smooth talking
of
:someone like Clinton with having superior intellect. My own experiece over
the
:last half century is just the opposite. Some of the smartest people I have
:ever met had great difficulty with public speaking. I remember one kid I
went
:to school with who had a severe stutter and was constantly being called
dummy
:by all the other kids. He graduated top of our class and went on to do the
:same at MIT.

I agree. Since my first degree is actually in public speaking (just an
AA) I won't say that intelligence and speaking ability are mutually
exclusive, but any relationship is coincidental.

The best public speakers around are actors. Some of the stupidest
people you've ever met are actors. A small percentage of actors are
actually brilliant people.

In my day job I've been working a lot with Jeff "Skunk" Baxter,
guitarist from the Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan. Brilliant
musician, and a consultant on defense and homeland security. It's
hard to imagine Jeff Beck, Kieth Richards or Eddie Van Halen, giving
a brief to Condoleezza Rice, but Baxter has.

After 9/11 I realized one of the things that bugged me in our society
is how we confuse clever with intelligent. There were plenty of
snarky, snide writers around that would address an issue with clever
wordplay instead of an actual, supported, argued point of view. As if
alliteration, a few phrases of French and a pun about someone's name
was important.



That last part goes hand in hand with the people that will read some article by
some obscure author and suddenly it's the gospel. It doesn't matter if the
author is an expert or coming straight out of the local nut house. Most of the
crap that I have read over the last twenty years seems to be totally biased and
lacking of any logical analysis. They start with a predetermined point of view
and then construct the facts to support that view.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

On 24 Aug 2004 02:09:55 GMT, osite (RobertR237)
wrote:



Most of the
crap that I have read over the last twenty years seems to be totally biased and
lacking of any logical analysis. They start with a predetermined point of view
and then construct the facts to support that view.


Bob Reed
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sounds like you are ****ed because your beloved Republican
Party doesn't always beat the Democrats at this game. g


Barnyard BOb

Most of the
crap that I have read over the last twenty years seems to be totally biased
and
lacking of any logical analysis. They start with a predetermined point of
view
and then construct the facts to support that view.


Bob Reed
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sounds like you are ****ed because your beloved Republican
Party doesn't always beat the Democrats at this game. g


Barnyard BOb


If it were only that simple. Hell, its not MY beloved Republican Party, it
simply more closely represents my views than the Democratic Party. There is
much about the Republican Party that I disagree with and some things about the
Democratic Party that I agree with.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

I have noticed that a majority of people seem to equate the smooth talking of
someone like Clinton with having superior intellect. My own experiece over the
last half century is just the opposite. Some of the smartest people I have
ever met had great difficulty with public speaking. I remember one kid I went
to school with who had a severe stutter and was constantly being called dummy
by all the other kids. He graduated top of our class and went on to do the
same at MIT.


Bob Reed

Yeah, Bob. A lot of data exists that fortifies your position on this.
Verbal skills are completely different than aptitude for problem
solving. There are many geniuses who are dyslexic, can't speak
without a stutter, can't spell and write poorly. Believe me, I went
to school with many of them in the physics departments of the
universities I attended. You wonder how they got to class that day
but at the end of the semester, they have all the points.

BWB

I have noticed that a majority of people seem to equate the smooth talking
of
someone like Clinton with having superior intellect. My own experiece over
the
last half century is just the opposite. Some of the smartest people I have
ever met had great difficulty with public speaking. I remember one kid I
went
to school with who had a severe stutter and was constantly being called
dummy
by all the other kids. He graduated top of our class and went on to do the
same at MIT.


Bob Reed

Yeah, Bob. A lot of data exists that fortifies your position on this.
Verbal skills are completely different than aptitude for problem
solving. There are many geniuses who are dyslexic, can't speak
without a stutter, can't spell and write poorly. Believe me, I went
to school with many of them in the physics departments of the
universities I attended. You wonder how they got to class that day
but at the end of the semester, they have all the points.

BWB


We have been conditioned by the media over the last half century to expect our
leaders to be smooth talking and charismatic. Examination of their records,
their concepts and capabilities are second, if considered at all. It is all a
popularity contest, not the choosing of a leader. Worse yet, are those who
follow the party line no matter that the candidate in no way represents their
views.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

:as a past participant in the local ToastMasters group, I would surely
:like to see Bush join a group for a month or two,
:
:it would certainly improve his image as a person,,,,,,,,,
:
:I wish he had the time to do so,,,,,,,,,

Hear, hear!!
:
:I've watched his speeches a few times, and feel a bit sorry for
:him,,,,,,,,

But he can pull a good one out when he has to. His speech before the
UN http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0020912-1.html
was terrific, both in content and delivery. It makes me wonder if
some of his more stumble/bumble speeches are sandbagging. You know
that (lawyer) Kerry has got to think that debates with Bush will be no
contest. But Bush was not a pushover for (lawyer) Gore.

The one thing that I have noticed about Bush is that he seems to rise to the
occasion when it really is needed. While he stumbles and fumbles for words in
the adhoc news conference, but then turns around and puts it all together in
another. While Michael Moore saw his reaction to the news of the 9/11 attacks
as someone who didn't know what to do, I saw someone who listened to his
advisors, trusted that they would do their jobs and keep him informed but did
not panic.

:
:I do feel he has the countries best interests at heart,,,,,,,,,

And on that we certainly agree.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Sorry, you better recheck your list. Jake Garn is an active pilot and owns a
restored Navion.