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Old April 5th 05, 05:36 PM
Greasy Rider© @invalid.com
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Default Stupid helmet question

I was browsing a newsgroup just now and saw a gentleman flying a P-51
Mustang with what appears to be just a common ball cap. I got to
wondering if he is that secure in his abilities and crash worthiness
of the air frame to simply wear a ball cap?

As a motorcyclist I feel very strange if I'm not wearing the very best
helmet that I can afford. Why would a pilot operate a high performance
aircraft with anything less?

I know that a high dollar helmet and other protective gear has no
guarantees whether it's a car, motorcycle, pony or aircraft.

Am I missing something? Is the pilot simply exercising his freedom to
take his chances? (The law won't let me do that in some states.)
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Old April 5th 05, 06:09 PM
Ed Rasimus
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:36:18 GMT, Greasy Rider© @invalid.com wrote:

I was browsing a newsgroup just now and saw a gentleman flying a P-51
Mustang with what appears to be just a common ball cap. I got to
wondering if he is that secure in his abilities and crash worthiness
of the air frame to simply wear a ball cap?

As a motorcyclist I feel very strange if I'm not wearing the very best
helmet that I can afford. Why would a pilot operate a high performance
aircraft with anything less?

I know that a high dollar helmet and other protective gear has no
guarantees whether it's a car, motorcycle, pony or aircraft.

Am I missing something? Is the pilot simply exercising his freedom to
take his chances? (The law won't let me do that in some states.)


What you may be missing is recognition of the fact that the helmet in
modern, high-performance aircraft functions primarily as an anchor
mechanism for electronics and an oxygen mask. It does shield the
noggin from the canopy bangs that potentially result from abrupt
maneuvers, but it doesn't add all that much to "crash worthiness."

In fact, most states will not accept a military flight helmet as a
substitute for a certified auto/motorcycle helmet.

But, they do make you feel cool when you put it on and drop the
visor--at least until the hot spots start showing up forty-five
minutes into a ten hour ocean crossing.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
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Old April 5th 05, 07:30 PM
Mike Kanze
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In the early 1970s the USN was very insistent about aircrew wearing the
helmet - with the visor down - anytime while out on an active flight line,
or on the flight deck when the ship was at Flight Quarters. The safety point
was one of vision and hearing conservation. This was a major culture change
for many of the lower Rocket numbers, who had grown up in more relaxed
times; and a minor one for the rest of us. For me it simply meant keeping my
****cutter and Ray-Bans in my G-suit pocket until leaving the flight line.

Of course the helmet was, and is, excellent protection for your head when
doing 0-dark-30 preflights on a dimly lit flight deck.

The USN also got very big on good general "industrial safety" practices
during that era as well (for example, no rings or jewelry that could
accidentally amputate a body part if you were a wrench-turner). This
predated the onset of similar OSHA stuff in civilian industry.

--
Mike Kanze

"If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library?"

- Lily Tomlin


"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:36:18 GMT, Greasy Rider© @invalid.com wrote:

I was browsing a newsgroup just now and saw a gentleman flying a P-51
Mustang with what appears to be just a common ball cap. I got to
wondering if he is that secure in his abilities and crash worthiness
of the air frame to simply wear a ball cap?

As a motorcyclist I feel very strange if I'm not wearing the very best
helmet that I can afford. Why would a pilot operate a high performance
aircraft with anything less?

I know that a high dollar helmet and other protective gear has no
guarantees whether it's a car, motorcycle, pony or aircraft.

Am I missing something? Is the pilot simply exercising his freedom to
take his chances? (The law won't let me do that in some states.)


What you may be missing is recognition of the fact that the helmet in
modern, high-performance aircraft functions primarily as an anchor
mechanism for electronics and an oxygen mask. It does shield the
noggin from the canopy bangs that potentially result from abrupt
maneuvers, but it doesn't add all that much to "crash worthiness."

In fact, most states will not accept a military flight helmet as a
substitute for a certified auto/motorcycle helmet.

But, they do make you feel cool when you put it on and drop the
visor--at least until the hot spots start showing up forty-five
minutes into a ten hour ocean crossing.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com



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Old April 5th 05, 07:45 PM
Dale
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In article ,
Ed Rasimus wrote:


What you may be missing is recognition of the fact that the helmet in
modern, high-performance aircraft functions primarily as an anchor
mechanism for electronics and an oxygen mask. It does shield the
noggin from the canopy bangs that potentially result from abrupt
maneuvers, but it doesn't add all that much to "crash worthiness."

In fact, most states will not accept a military flight helmet as a
substitute for a certified auto/motorcycle helmet.



Here's a quote of the flightsuits.com website in reference to one of the
helmets:

Caution: HGU-55 helmets have been designed for use in fixed-wing
aircraft and offer limited impact protection. Users with different
applications should consider helmets with greater impact protection
designed specifically for their applications.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html
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Old April 7th 05, 02:57 PM
Don McIntyre
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Dale L. Falk sent:

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

God Bless You, can't think of a better way to put it myself! 8-)
Retired USN P-3B/C Aircrew in 1995. Boy do I miss flying!

Don McIntyre
Clarksville, TN

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Old April 7th 05, 03:06 AM
Jim Baker
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:36:18 GMT, Greasy Rider© @invalid.com wrote:

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But, they do make you feel cool when you put it on and drop the
visor--at least until the hot spots start showing up forty-five
minutes into a ten hour ocean crossing.


Ed Rasimus


On my first ride taxiing out in a Tweet in UPT, I noticed the mirror and
casually moved it inboard (to not draw attention to the fact that I wasn't
paying attention to the droning from the right seat) and moved my head
outboard. I swear, it was the coolest looking reflection I had ever seen of
myself. I laughed at myself later in my Q when I thought back that the most
exciting thing I did that day was not the flight, (even though that was very
exciting) but the image of myself in a helmet, dark visor down and oxygen
mask up. Later, I got to hate wearing that huge, heavy white helmet. It
was a real blessing when the lighterweight, fitted ones came along.

Jim Baker


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Old April 5th 05, 06:15 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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Greasy Rider© @invalid.com wrote in message
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I was browsing a newsgroup just now and saw a gentleman flying a P-51
Mustang with what appears to be just a common ball cap. I got to
wondering if he is that secure in his abilities and crash worthiness
of the air frame to simply wear a ball cap?


When was the photo taken?


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Old April 5th 05, 06:23 PM
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:15:59 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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When was the photo taken?


Don't know.
There is a series called "P-51" over in
alt.binaries.pictures.military. Difficult to tell time frame.

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Old April 5th 05, 06:55 PM
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Greasy Rider© @invalid.com wrote in message
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Don't know.
There is a series called "P-51" over in
alt.binaries.pictures.military. Difficult to tell time frame.


I can only view 3 of the 11 images, the one showing a pilot with cap is not
available to me.


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Old April 5th 05, 07:03 PM
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:55:14 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
postulated :

I can only view 3 of the 11 images, the one showing a pilot with cap is not
available to me.


E-mailed it to you....

Regards,
Greasy
 




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