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Following the thread on landing with one spoiler, I wonder what
proportion of landing accidents result from mechanical failure or jamming of primary flight controls and spoilers/dive brakes. I personally know of a couple of failures - one spoiler handle sheared off as the pilot did his pre-landing checks and he landed safely off-field and another had a pencil jam in controls, limiting control movement, but again landed safely. With the exception of incorrect assembly, I have to believe that asymmetric control failure or jamming must be an extremely rare cause of landing accidents compared to the more common reasons we all know. Any actual data or good anecdotes? |
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Mike the Strike wrote:
Following the thread on landing with one spoiler, I wonder what proportion of landing accidents result from mechanical failure or jamming of primary flight controls and spoilers/dive brakes. I personally know of a couple of failures - one spoiler handle sheared off as the pilot did his pre-landing checks and he landed safely off-field and another had a pencil jam in controls, limiting control movement, but again landed safely. With the exception of incorrect assembly, I have to believe that asymmetric control failure or jamming must be an extremely rare cause of landing accidents compared to the more common reasons we all know. Any actual data or good anecdotes? I read a story, in a Canadian soaring magasine about 20-25 years ago, about a girl forced to bail out of here glider (HP-14?) because a loose item in the cockpit had jammed the stick. Landed in a river and almost drowned. Anyone have the original article? |
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"Sid" wrote in message
... I read a story, in a Canadian soaring magasine about 20-25 years ago, about a girl forced to bail out of here glider (HP-14?) because a loose item in the cockpit had jammed the stick. Landed in a river and almost drowned. Anyone have the original article? This one? http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/Stories/Bailout.htm -- Geoff the sea hawk at wow way d0t com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader. |
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Capt. Geoffry Thorpe wrote:
"Sid" wrote in message ... I read a story, in a Canadian soaring magasine about 20-25 years ago, about a girl forced to bail out of here glider (HP-14?) because a loose item in the cockpit had jammed the stick. Landed in a river and almost drowned. Anyone have the original article? This one? http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/Stories/Bailout.htm -- Geoff the sea hawk at wow way d0t com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader. Amazing story to re-read. Thanks for the link Geoff. |
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You don't have to look far from home. A Grob 103 had complete aileron
failure in flight after the arm broke off a torque tube at the weld line. The rear seat pilot opened the inspection hatch and flew it to a safe landing by working the aileron pushrods with his hand behind his back. Afterwards he said he would have done a better job if he had asked his into ride passenger to operate the airbrakes. Andy |
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"Mike the Strike" wrote in message oups.com... Following the thread on landing with one spoiler, I wonder what proportion of landing accidents result from mechanical failure or jamming of primary flight controls and spoilers/dive brakes. I personally know of a couple of failures - one spoiler handle sheared off as the pilot did his pre-landing checks and he landed safely off-field and another had a pencil jam in controls, limiting control movement, but again landed safely. With the exception of incorrect assembly, I have to believe that asymmetric control failure or jamming must be an extremely rare cause of landing accidents compared to the more common reasons we all know. Any actual data or good anecdotes? Rare, but not unheard of. Let's see: (Some of the following pilots prefer to remain anonymous. I don't believe any of them practiced for these eventualities.) The owner/builder of an experimental glider that I am to test fly assures me that a lead shot ballast bag in the tail is properly secured. However, turbulence on short final tosses the unsecured shot bag into the control mixer jamming the ailerons and elevator while shifting the CG forward. I manage to hit the grass between runways at 70 Kts plus using rudder alone. After a few bounces, I slide to a stop unhurt and without damage to the glider. Damage to the relationship with the glider owner took a while to repair, however. Not directly glider related but perhaps of interest; after climbing through a nimbostratus layer to subfreezing clear air above, I notice my ailerons are frozen. Rainwater had frozen the aileron gap seals to the ailerons. I flew on above the undercast using rudder to warmer air that thawed the ailerons. I still worry about wet control gap seals. This could be a cause of otherwise unexplainable mountain soaring accidents. Zigging when I shoudda zagged results in a mid-air while flying a Pratt Read. The wing damage produces significant asymmetrical lift and drag which full aileron and rudder won't correct. Experimenting with spoilers restores partial symmetry and sufficient control authority to land safely. The pilot of the other glider, a 1-26, managed to land without a fin or rudder and with impaired elevator control. I still get spooked when another glider gets near me. A near head on collision between a Libelle and a Foka destroys the Libelle but does minor damage to the Foka. The Libelle pilot parachutes to safety. The damage to the Foka includes a jammed canopy latch and release so the pilot, having no other choice, lands safely. A lady flying a 1-26 has the release knob come off in her hand. Taking a few seconds to think about the situation, coolly reaches under the panel and pulls the release cable. Not directly controls related; an owner of a kit built 1-26A makes a first flight after covering the glider. The poorly cemented top and bottom fabric on the left wing departs leaving only a skeleton. The pilot lands saying he didn't feel much asymmetry. This leaves me unsure just what parts of a 1-26 are actually needed for flight. A ride pilot flying a 2-32 from the back seat draws a mental blank when he tries to remember if he secured the rear control stick with the bolt and safety pin. For a fleeting moment he considers pulling up on the stick to see before thinking better of it. (The rear control stick of a 2-32 is often removed to allow two small passengers to ride in the back seat.) A USAF general officer riding jump seat in a B-36 fiddles with a lever asking as he does, "What does this gizmo do?" thereby dropping three unarmed nuclear weapons on Albuquerque, NM. Source: Kirkland AFB Nuclear Weapons Museum. There are many sagas of military pilots landing aircraft with jammed controls and/or major parts of the airframe missing. The entire left wing of a F-15 for example. Of course, there's the DC-10 over Iowa. Bill Daniels |
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"Bill Daniels" wrote in message ... snippage Not directly controls related; an owner of a kit built 1-26A makes a first flight after covering the glider. The poorly cemented top and bottom fabric on the left wing departs leaving only a skeleton. The pilot lands saying he didn't feel much asymmetry. This leaves me unsure just what parts of a 1-26 are actually needed for flight. more snippage Gee, Bill, I thought everyone knew that in a 1-26, it's all the pilot! Tim Ward |
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"Bill Daniels" writes:
A lady flying a 1-26 has the release knob come off in her hand. Taking a few seconds to think about the situation, coolly reaches under the panel and pulls the release cable. Had that happen earlier this year with an IS-28. Fortunatly, it had released so it was only a minor drama! -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. |
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I have had a pair of unused headphones wedge below a collective on a
helicopter. Learned real quick. There may be a number of cases where non-attached items wedge themselves in to cause problems with controls. Glider pilots often carry loose water bottles, gps receivers or cameras that are waiting to find novel ways of lodging themselves. Colin |
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Start tall story
A local crew on a cattle property west of here used to do a bit of pig shooting from a Skyfox using a gas auto 12 gauge... Happily plugging away until one of the ejected cartridges found it's way under the floor into the controls. Wasn't apparent until the craft didn't want to come out of the steep bank. All survived, even a few more of the pigs ;-) End tall story Don COLIN LAMB wrote: I have had a pair of unused headphones wedge below a collective on a helicopter. Learned real quick. There may be a number of cases where non-attached items wedge themselves in to cause problems with controls. Glider pilots often carry loose water bottles, gps receivers or cameras that are waiting to find novel ways of lodging themselves. Colin |
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