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Old September 30th 05, 09:36 PM
Mike the Strike
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Default Flight Control Failures

Following the thread on landing with one spoiler, I wonder what
proportion of landing accidents result from mechanical failure or
jamming of primary flight controls and spoilers/dive brakes. I
personally know of a couple of failures - one spoiler handle sheared
off as the pilot did his pre-landing checks and he landed safely
off-field and another had a pencil jam in controls, limiting control
movement, but again landed safely.

With the exception of incorrect assembly, I have to believe that
asymmetric control failure or jamming must be an extremely rare cause
of landing accidents compared to the more common reasons we all know.

Any actual data or good anecdotes?

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Old September 30th 05, 11:12 PM
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Mike the Strike wrote:
Following the thread on landing with one spoiler, I wonder what
proportion of landing accidents result from mechanical failure or
jamming of primary flight controls and spoilers/dive brakes. I
personally know of a couple of failures - one spoiler handle sheared
off as the pilot did his pre-landing checks and he landed safely
off-field and another had a pencil jam in controls, limiting control
movement, but again landed safely.

With the exception of incorrect assembly, I have to believe that
asymmetric control failure or jamming must be an extremely rare cause
of landing accidents compared to the more common reasons we all know.

Any actual data or good anecdotes?

I read a story, in a Canadian soaring magasine about 20-25 years ago,
about a girl forced to bail out of here glider (HP-14?) because a loose
item in the cockpit had jammed the stick. Landed in a river and almost
drowned.

Anyone have the original article?
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Old September 30th 05, 11:34 PM
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"Sid" wrote in message
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I read a story, in a Canadian soaring magasine about 20-25 years ago,
about a girl forced to bail out of here glider (HP-14?) because a loose
item in the cockpit had jammed the stick. Landed in a river and almost
drowned.

Anyone have the original article?


This one?
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/Stories/Bailout.htm

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Old October 1st 05, 08:56 PM
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Capt. Geoffry Thorpe wrote:
"Sid" wrote in message
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I read a story, in a Canadian soaring magasine about 20-25 years ago,
about a girl forced to bail out of here glider (HP-14?) because a loose
item in the cockpit had jammed the stick. Landed in a river and almost
drowned.

Anyone have the original article?



This one?
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/Stories/Bailout.htm

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Amazing story to re-read. Thanks for the link Geoff.
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Old September 30th 05, 11:36 PM
Andy
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You don't have to look far from home. A Grob 103 had complete aileron
failure in flight after the arm broke off a torque tube at the weld
line. The rear seat pilot opened the inspection hatch and flew it to a
safe landing by working the aileron pushrods with his hand behind his
back. Afterwards he said he would have done a better job if he had
asked his into ride passenger to operate the airbrakes.

Andy

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Old September 30th 05, 11:50 PM
Bill Daniels
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"Mike the Strike" wrote in message
oups.com...
Following the thread on landing with one spoiler, I wonder what
proportion of landing accidents result from mechanical failure or
jamming of primary flight controls and spoilers/dive brakes. I
personally know of a couple of failures - one spoiler handle sheared
off as the pilot did his pre-landing checks and he landed safely
off-field and another had a pencil jam in controls, limiting control
movement, but again landed safely.

With the exception of incorrect assembly, I have to believe that
asymmetric control failure or jamming must be an extremely rare cause
of landing accidents compared to the more common reasons we all know.

Any actual data or good anecdotes?


Rare, but not unheard of. Let's see: (Some of the following pilots prefer
to remain anonymous. I don't believe any of them practiced for these
eventualities.)

The owner/builder of an experimental glider that I am to test fly assures me
that a lead shot ballast bag in the tail is properly secured. However,
turbulence on short final tosses the unsecured shot bag into the control
mixer jamming the ailerons and elevator while shifting the CG forward. I
manage to hit the grass between runways at 70 Kts plus using rudder alone.
After a few bounces, I slide to a stop unhurt and without damage to the
glider. Damage to the relationship with the glider owner took a while to
repair, however.

Not directly glider related but perhaps of interest; after climbing through
a nimbostratus layer to subfreezing clear air above, I notice my ailerons
are frozen. Rainwater had frozen the aileron gap seals to the ailerons. I
flew on above the undercast using rudder to warmer air that thawed the
ailerons. I still worry about wet control gap seals. This could be a cause
of otherwise unexplainable mountain soaring accidents.

Zigging when I shoudda zagged results in a mid-air while flying a Pratt
Read. The wing damage produces significant asymmetrical lift and drag which
full aileron and rudder won't correct. Experimenting with spoilers restores
partial symmetry and sufficient control authority to land safely. The pilot
of the other glider, a 1-26, managed to land without a fin or rudder and
with impaired elevator control. I still get spooked when another glider
gets near me.

A near head on collision between a Libelle and a Foka destroys the Libelle
but does minor damage to the Foka. The Libelle pilot parachutes to safety.
The damage to the Foka includes a jammed canopy latch and release so the
pilot, having no other choice, lands safely.

A lady flying a 1-26 has the release knob come off in her hand. Taking a
few seconds to think about the situation, coolly reaches under the panel and
pulls the release cable.

Not directly controls related; an owner of a kit built 1-26A makes a first
flight after covering the glider. The poorly cemented top and bottom fabric
on the left wing departs leaving only a skeleton. The pilot lands saying he
didn't feel much asymmetry. This leaves me unsure just what parts of a 1-26
are actually needed for flight.

A ride pilot flying a 2-32 from the back seat draws a mental blank when he
tries to remember if he secured the rear control stick with the bolt and
safety pin. For a fleeting moment he considers pulling up on the stick to
see before thinking better of it. (The rear control stick of a 2-32 is
often removed to allow two small passengers to ride in the back seat.)

A USAF general officer riding jump seat in a B-36 fiddles with a lever
asking as he does, "What does this gizmo do?" thereby dropping three unarmed
nuclear weapons on Albuquerque, NM. Source: Kirkland AFB Nuclear Weapons
Museum.

There are many sagas of military pilots landing aircraft with jammed
controls and/or major parts of the airframe missing. The entire left wing
of a F-15 for example.

Of course, there's the DC-10 over Iowa.

Bill Daniels

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Old October 1st 05, 04:59 AM
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"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
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snippage

Not directly controls related; an owner of a kit built 1-26A makes a first
flight after covering the glider. The poorly cemented top and bottom

fabric
on the left wing departs leaving only a skeleton. The pilot lands saying

he
didn't feel much asymmetry. This leaves me unsure just what parts of a

1-26
are actually needed for flight.


more snippage

Gee, Bill, I thought everyone knew that in a 1-26, it's all the pilot!

Tim Ward


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Old October 12th 05, 06:36 PM
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"Bill Daniels" writes:

A lady flying a 1-26 has the release knob come off in her hand. Taking a
few seconds to think about the situation, coolly reaches under the panel and
pulls the release cable.


Had that happen earlier this year with an IS-28. Fortunatly, it had released
so it was only a minor drama!

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Old October 1st 05, 01:57 AM
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I have had a pair of unused headphones wedge below a collective on a
helicopter. Learned real quick. There may be a number of cases where
non-attached items wedge themselves in to cause problems with controls.

Glider pilots often carry loose water bottles, gps receivers or cameras that
are waiting to find novel ways of lodging themselves.

Colin


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Old October 1st 05, 05:23 AM
Don
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Start tall story

A local crew on a cattle property west of here used to do a bit of pig shooting
from a Skyfox using a gas auto 12 gauge...

Happily plugging away until one of the ejected cartridges found it's way under
the floor into the controls. Wasn't apparent until the craft didn't want to come
out of the steep bank. All survived, even a few more of the pigs ;-)

End tall story

Don

COLIN LAMB wrote:
I have had a pair of unused headphones wedge below a collective on a
helicopter. Learned real quick. There may be a number of cases where
non-attached items wedge themselves in to cause problems with controls.

Glider pilots often carry loose water bottles, gps receivers or cameras that
are waiting to find novel ways of lodging themselves.

Colin


 




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