Debacle: Flight test of Diana-2

Hi All,

Recently, I was invited by the Diana-2 dealer to be part of the
potential customer flight tests in Switzerland. It was a humiliating
fiasco. I've written about it on my blog www.neshe.com Please feel free
to browse.

In a few days, it will also contain a technical part with photographs
and a video.

Best regards,
Naresh

Sad. But let's hear the other side of the story...

Bartek

naresh wrote:
Hi All,

Recently, I was invited by the Diana-2 dealer to be part of the
potential customer flight tests in Switzerland. It was a humiliating
fiasco. I've written about it on my blog www.neshe.com Please feel free
to browse.

In a few days, it will also contain a technical part with photographs
and a video.

Perhaps you said or did something that you weren't aware of that really
****ed them off. Make a joke about the ugly color of the winch (the
color his wife picked out)? Say "Hi" to or chat with the guy at the
field he's been feuding with for 20 years? Have a glass of beer or wine
at lunch?

Shawn

Shawn wrote:

naresh wrote:

Hi All,

Recently, I was invited by the Diana-2 dealer to be part of the
potential customer flight tests in Switzerland. It was a humiliating
fiasco. I've written about it on my blog www.neshe.com Please feel
free to browse.

In a few days, it will also contain a technical part with photographs
and a video.


Perhaps you said or did something that you weren't aware of that really
****ed them off. Make a joke about the ugly color of the winch (the
color his wife picked out)? Say "Hi" to or chat with the guy at the
field he's been feuding with for 20 years? Have a glass of beer or wine
at lunch?

Shawn

Shawn,

Its quite unlikely, but possible. Never-the-less, if someone ****ed me
off, I'd try to "communicate" and reason out with the person. I've been
thinking, but nothing comes to mind. And, nope, I didn't have a drop of
alcohol.

Anyway, for those who are interested in a technical analysis of the
glider, I'll have it up during the weekend at the same site.

Naresh

Its quite unlikely, but possible. Never-the-less, if someone ****ed me
off, I'd try to "communicate" and reason out with the person. I've been
thinking, but nothing comes to mind. And, nope, I didn't have a drop of
alcohol.

Anyway, for those who are interested in a technical analysis of the
glider, I'll have it up during the weekend at the same site.

Naresh

- I'm afraid we can't get an unbiased technical analysis from you,
one you being ****ed of (in your own words), second they haven't let
you fly one. But thank you for bringing up details of "demo
flying".

GK wrote:
Its quite unlikely, but possible. Never-the-less, if someone ****ed me
off, I'd try to "communicate" and reason out with the person. I've been
thinking, but nothing comes to mind. And, nope, I didn't have a drop of
alcohol.

Anyway, for those who are interested in a technical analysis of the
glider, I'll have it up during the weekend at the same site.

Naresh


- I'm afraid we can't get an unbiased technical analysis from you,
one you being ****ed of (in your own words), second they haven't let
you fly one. But thank you for bringing up details of "demo
flying".


GK, I wonder what you mean by saying "(in your own words)". I'm writing
a part of the technical analysis, you are welcome to go through it or
ignore it. Whether my assessment is biased or not, depends on a lot of
factors. The so called "my bias" can only be estabilished once you read
it. Nobody's forcing you to look at anything, that wouldn't work would
it ;-) Please don't be a representative of the entire group.

All I'm stating is that your technical analysis of the glider itself
cannot be correct due to many factors you've all mentioned. You can
write whatever you like that's the beauty of Internet.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:26:39 +0200, @ neshe dot com wrote:

Recently, I was invited by the Diana-2 dealer to be part of the
potential customer flight tests in Switzerland. It was a humiliating
fiasco. I've written about it on my blog www.neshe.com Please feel
free to browse.

I think when the sellers became aware of the facts:

- the complainant does not own a glider of his own
- he talks of a syndicate with 3 or 4 pilots
- he does not mention having ever flown in serious competition

Surely the typical profile of a Diana 2 customer

- already owns competitive racing sailplane
- competes, probably at national or international level
- has a significant amount of money at his disposal and the motivation to
spend it on a very specialized racing glider.

Rather the complainant talks about being an engineer, and wanting to write
a technical assessment of the glider. The the Diana sellers invited
potential customers to fly the glider, not journalists who wanted to do
test flights. If they wanted the latter I suspect the complainant would
not have been on their shortlist of invited journalists.

I can well believe they declined to let him fly - if it was my prototype
I would also have said 'No'. I doubt they would offer me a test flight.
(Not because I don't have the qualifications but simply because I cannot
afford a new Diana).

But maybe there was some lack of communications. Possibly due to the
multitude of languages and cultures involved.


Ian

At 17:00 12 October 2005, Naresh wrote:
Hi All,

Recently, I was invited by the Diana-2 dealer to be
part of the
potential customer flight tests in Switzerland. It
was a humiliating
fiasco. I've written about it on my blog www.neshe.com
Please feel free
to browse.

In a few days, it will also contain a technical part
with photographs
and a video.

Best regards,
Naresh


Mr. Beres has responded (in Polish) to questions on
the Polish gliding website regarding Mr. Naresh's complaint.

As I interpret his comments, he did not consider Mr.
Naresh to be sufficiently experienced on high performance
sailplanes to undertake a trial flight on the Diana
safely - particularly as Mr. Naresh was not familiar
with the site and in, apparently, not ideal meteorological
conditions.

A statement from the organiser of these trial flights
(in Germany and Switzerland) is promised today.
If it is in English, I will supply the website address.
If in Polish, I will summarise his comments.

Unless I am requested not to do so.

sta13.

Stanford Korwin wrote:

At 17:00 12 October 2005, Naresh wrote:

Hi All,

Recently, I was invited by the Diana-2 dealer to be
part of the
potential customer flight tests in Switzerland. It
was a humiliating
fiasco. I've written about it on my blog www.neshe.com
Please feel free
to browse.

In a few days, it will also contain a technical part
with photographs
and a video.

Best regards,
Naresh



Mr. Beres has responded (in Polish) to questions on
the Polish gliding website regarding Mr. Naresh's complaint.

As I interpret his comments, he did not consider Mr.
Naresh to be sufficiently experienced on high performance
sailplanes to undertake a trial flight on the Diana
safely - particularly as Mr. Naresh was not familiar
with the site and in, apparently, not ideal meteorological
conditions.

A statement from the organiser of these trial flights
(in Germany and Switzerland) is promised today.
If it is in English, I will supply the website address.
If in Polish, I will summarise his comments.

Unless I am requested not to do so.

sta13.




Sta13,

1. As far as the experience goes, it is not accurate, I have the emails
(all the collection of them), and I have significantly more experience
than what was requested.
2. They did not even wait for the check ride instructor to brief them.
3. The meteorological conditions? Wow, thats one hilarious one: it was
22deg cent. and zero wind. We were towing not winching (diana prototype
cannot be winched).

I have video's to corraborate this, and will put the video on the site
as well as photographs that show that Mr. Beres's statements are untrue.

I believe that they decided to not let me fly, period, no explaination.
They can say anything, if it was the experience, they knew mine, they
could've told me no-can't-do, or could've said that you need more hours
than I have and I'd never have wasted my time and money.

Thanks
Naresh