B-58

If you want to see and read more about the Hustler, click on
the link to my B-58 web site, below.
Don't forget to sign the guest book. The More B-58 Pictures Annex link
takes you to 3 more pages of pictures and text.

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Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: (see below)
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

Darrell S wrote:
If you want to see and read more about the Hustler, click on
the link to my B-58 web site, below.
Don't forget to sign the guest book. The More B-58 Pictures Annex link
takes you to 3 more pages of pictures and text.

--

Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: (see below)
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

The Lippisch connection and F-102/F-106 delta predecessors aside, the
B-58 is a great a/c. My USAF neighbor worked on the machine and he
still loves that plane above all other US postwar bombers.

Despite my constant German rhetoric I love the B-52 Stratofortress,
especially the D-model from Vietnam with the bullet nose and tall tail.

Hey, at least Dan can't complain about that!

Good luck with your site Herr Schmidt.

Rob

More proof of a German connection?
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...er/gal4963.htm

Rob Arndt wrote:
Darrell S wrote:
If you want to see and read more about the Hustler, click on
the link to my B-58 web site, below.
Don't forget to sign the guest book. The More B-58 Pictures Annex link
takes you to 3 more pages of pictures and text.

--

Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: (see below)
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

The Lippisch connection and F-102/F-106 delta predecessors aside, the
B-58 is a great a/c. My USAF neighbor worked on the machine and he
still loves that plane above all other US postwar bombers.

Despite my constant German rhetoric I love the B-52 Stratofortress,
especially the D-model from Vietnam with the bullet nose and tall tail.

Hey, at least Dan can't complain about that!

Good luck with your site Herr Schmidt.

Rob

wrote:
More proof of a German connection?
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...er/gal4963.htm

That is pretty original and funny... yet historically and factually,
Dr. Lippisch is firmly established postwar with Convair and their
designs.

Thanks for the humor though... impressive!

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
wrote:
More proof of a German connection?
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...er/gal4963.htm

That is pretty original and funny... yet historically and factually,
Dr. Lippisch is firmly established postwar with Convair and their
designs.

Thanks for the humor though... impressive!

Rob

Besides Lippisch, the real pioneer of delta craft (not counting German
gliders) was Roland Payen. He had a multitude of delta designs that
even surpassed Lippisch in terms of futuristic configurations and the
Nazis captured his unflown Pa-22 in France:

http://www.strange-mecha.com/aircraft/Ente/pa22.JPG

This was originally to be a ramjet fighter powered by the Melot ramjet,
but that engine failed so Payen just used a prop one instead.

The funny story here is that no one told the Luftwaffe pilot taking the
a/c that it had never been flown. He waved them aside with arrogance
and just just flew it back to Germany where it was at Rechlin for a
time before it was to be returned back to France. The Allies bombed its
storage area and so Payen lost the a/c...

I don't think it had any influence on the Lippisch P.XIII fighters, nor
the DM-1 design.

It is, however, one of hundreds of delta designs Payen had concieved
and yet he is historically all but forgotten compared to Lippisch. Sad,
but true.

Rob

Hi Darrel

Darrell S wrote:
If you want to see and read more about the Hustler, click on
the link to my B-58 web site, below.
Don't forget to sign the guest book. The More B-58 Pictures Annex link
takes you to 3 more pages of pictures and text.
Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: (see below)
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

Here's another interesting link,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-58_Hustler

As I understand it, the B58 was a high
speed - high altitude bomber that entered
service about Mar/15/1960, with nil stealth
capability. Gary Power's U2 was shot down
May/1/1960, and had some stealth paint,
that the Ruskies managed to circumvent.
So 2 months after entering service, the
B58 became a *low altitude penetration*
bomber, with enough range for a one
way trip into the USSR, effectively
rendering it a kamikaze bomber.
I think the crews knew that and it's their
courage that helped keep us safe during
the transition to ICBM's.

IMO it was as sexy as anything that flew
but it was not a good warplane because
it was difficult to adapt, while the B52
could carry stand-off weapons and make
it home, though in hindsight, it filled a
vital deterrence gap in the early 1960's,
that was equivalent to the B52 swarm,
depending on gravity bombs.
Regards
Ken

wrote:
Hi Darrel

Darrell S wrote:
If you want to see and read more about the Hustler, click on
the link to my B-58 web site, below.
Don't forget to sign the guest book. The More B-58 Pictures Annex link
takes you to 3 more pages of pictures and text.
Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: (see below)
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

Here's another interesting link,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-58_Hustler

As I understand it, the B58 was a high
speed - high altitude bomber that entered
service about Mar/15/1960, with nil stealth
capability. Gary Power's U2 was shot down
May/1/1960, and had some stealth paint,
that the Ruskies managed to circumvent.
So 2 months after entering service, the
B58 became a *low altitude penetration*
bomber, with enough range for a one
way trip into the USSR, effectively
rendering it a kamikaze bomber.
I think the crews knew that and it's their
courage that helped keep us safe during
the transition to ICBM's.

IMO it was as sexy as anything that flew
but it was not a good warplane because
it was difficult to adapt, while the B52
could carry stand-off weapons and make
it home, though in hindsight, it filled a
vital deterrence gap in the early 1960's,
that was equivalent to the B52 swarm,
depending on gravity bombs.
Regards
Ken\


Wasn't it the fastest postwar bomber until the XB-70 came along???

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
wrote:
Hi Darrel

Darrell S wrote:
If you want to see and read more about the Hustler, click on
the link to my B-58 web site, below.
Don't forget to sign the guest book. The More B-58 Pictures Annex link
takes you to 3 more pages of pictures and text.
Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: (see below)
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

Here's another interesting link,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-58_Hustler

As I understand it, the B58 was a high
speed - high altitude bomber that entered
service about Mar/15/1960, with nil stealth
capability. Gary Power's U2 was shot down
May/1/1960, and had some stealth paint,
that the Ruskies managed to circumvent.
So 2 months after entering service, the
B58 became a *low altitude penetration*
bomber, with enough range for a one
way trip into the USSR, effectively
rendering it a kamikaze bomber.
I think the crews knew that and it's their
courage that helped keep us safe during
the transition to ICBM's.

IMO it was as sexy as anything that flew
but it was not a good warplane because
it was difficult to adapt, while the B52
could carry stand-off weapons and make
it home, though in hindsight, it filled a
vital deterrence gap in the early 1960's,
that was equivalent to the B52 swarm,
depending on gravity bombs.
Regards
Ken\

Wasn't it the fastest postwar bomber until the XB-70 came along???
Rob

Well the XB-70 was a class above the B58,
but the Ruskies may have had something
better. The A-12 (Blackbird) was considered
for a strike bomber, with a pair of tactical
nukes...that would have been a highly effective
system, but the triad deterrence (sub, b52+
stand-off, ICBM) had matured by 1965 that
rendered the A-12 redundant in the McNamara
MAD doctrine, which in hindsight looks good.
Regards
Ken

Wasn't it the fastest postwar bomber until the XB-70 came along???

Well the XB-70 was a class above the B58

A B-58 was one of the chase planes for the XB-70.

john smith wrote:
Wasn't it the fastest postwar bomber until the XB-70 came along???

Well the XB-70 was a class above the B58

A B-58 was one of the chase planes for the XB-70.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-70

With the petal to the metal, the B58 is a
dimishing artifact in the rear view mirror of
an XB70.
I don't know, but think an XB-70 could blow
the SR-71 away for many technical reasons,
like ballistic coefficient and thermal cooling.
Ken