Cost Savings for PPL

Hi Group,

I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. Since I've been
playing Flight Sim for about 15 years, on my first lesson I was able to
land the airplane right away. Thanks to Microsoft Flight Simulator.
I believed that I am a step or two step ahead compared to other student
that never realy see a cockpit or play a simulator before. Is there any
body can help me to set up a better program for me. I give my self a
target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy but flight
simulator really helps me on practice and understanding how the system
works.
In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they
release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic
pattern on the very last section. Is this a good program or jsut trying
to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the Instructor
also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn the hours
while I am paying it.
Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that
I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink
the budget.

Thank you for your help

oscarm wrote:
Hi Group,

I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. ...

In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they
release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic
pattern on the very last section. ...

Thank you for your help


Sounds very suspect to me. Shop around before you commit to flying in
their program.

Solo at a controlled airport as base and using nearby
uncontrolled airports for practice and first solo can be
done in 12-15 hours and includes using the radio from the
first flight. By the time you are at 30 hours you could
have some solo cross country. Sounds to me lie that school
is padding the dual early. If you are in certain areas, LA
Basin, NYC metro, it might take longer.

Flight sim "games" can teach you good and bad habits. If
you practice in the sim what you're doing in your lesson
plan, it can be useful. If you are just playing around,
you'll probably develop bad habits and have tom spend time
to unlearn those habits.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"oscarm" wrote in message
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| Hi Group,
|
| I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. Since
I've been
| playing Flight Sim for about 15 years, on my first lesson
I was able to
| land the airplane right away. Thanks to Microsoft Flight
Simulator.
| I believed that I am a step or two step ahead compared to
other student
| that never realy see a cockpit or play a simulator before.
Is there any
| body can help me to set up a better program for me. I give
my self a
| target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy
but flight
| simulator really helps me on practice and understanding
how the system
| works.
| In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual
flight until they
| release me a solo, and learn about the radio
communications and trafic
| pattern on the very last section. Is this a good program
or jsut trying
| to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the
Instructor
| also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn
the hours
| while I am paying it.
| Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is
something that
| I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have
to shrink
| the budget.
|
| Thank you for your help
|

On 2006-08-21, oscarm wrote:
target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL,

In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they
release me a solo,

From what I've seen, the amount of time to solo varies quite a bit, but
most people finish about 30 hours after they solo. If you've flown 30
hours already, I doubt that you can finish in 45 hours total. Also,
if you were able to land on your first lesson, with the right instructor
you should have been able to solo sooner.

The good news is, no one is shooting for the lowest total time except
primary students. If you had no money to fly after getting your license,
you don't really lose much by flying a few more of the hours with an
instructor. In fact, if you do plan to stop flying after you get your
PPL, you should work on getting signed off for your solo cross countries
and fly those before you quit. I rank those right up with first solo and
getting my PPL.

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD

http://www.ben.com/

Hi Ben, thatnsk for your respond.
I just flown my first hour last week. And still more to come. If I
follow the schedule on their program, it will take 25 meeting until it
gets to pre solo one and pre solo two.
I'll have another lesson this comming weekend and see if he use all of
the 2 hours time just to introdue Steep turn.
my target is maximum 13-15 hours dual and the rest are solo. Is this
sounds reasonable?




Ben Jackson wrote:
On 2006-08-21, oscarm wrote:
target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL,

In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they
release me a solo,

From what I've seen, the amount of time to solo varies quite a bit, but
most people finish about 30 hours after they solo. If you've flown 30
hours already, I doubt that you can finish in 45 hours total. Also,
if you were able to land on your first lesson, with the right instructor
you should have been able to solo sooner.

The good news is, no one is shooting for the lowest total time except
primary students. If you had no money to fly after getting your license,
you don't really lose much by flying a few more of the hours with an
instructor. In fact, if you do plan to stop flying after you get your
PPL, you should work on getting signed off for your solo cross countries
and fly those before you quit. I rank those right up with first solo and
getting my PPL.

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD

http://www.ben.com/

oscarm wrote
my target is maximum 13-15 hours dual and the rest are solo. Is this
sounds reasonable?

You still haven't told us where you are located, and we certainly
can't answer your questions without knowing what regulations you
will be studying under. It doesn't sound as if English is your
native language?

Bob Moore

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your respond.
The airport is located at the E Class Airspace in Southern California.
My instructor always told me about the benefit to learn at the airport
with Class E airspace, which is probably true.
The reason that I put a target to my self, is to find out if the
simualtor really helps or not, and to find out if I still able to
compete with my self and my will. Its just a challange that will
motivate me to learn as hard as possible. Everybody can get PPL in
60-70 hours and everbody can finish university in 4-6 years, but whats
unique about that? nothing. Challance is like an exitement in life.
That is why I need some input from all the people in this room who has
thausands thausands hour of flying about a challanging and exiting PPL
program structure.
About my english, I still have to speak and write in English and
Chinese on daily basis. Especailly at home, since i am a thirth
generation here, I still pretty much attach to my grand-parents
language. So appologize if the grammer a little off guess.

Appreciate in advance for your input.





Bob Moore wrote:
oscarm wrote
my target is maximum 13-15 hours dual and the rest are solo. Is this
sounds reasonable?

You still haven't told us where you are located, and we certainly
can't answer your questions without knowing what regulations you
will be studying under. It doesn't sound as if English is your
native language?

Bob Moore

I sort of take exception to the comment the "everybody/anybody" can get PPL
or finish university. Not everyone has the drive to see it to the end.
(sort of 99% perspiration 1% inspriration theory)

Flying is a real enjoyment and doing it just to do it "fast" just doesn't
seem to be a really good reason. Maybe the new sport pilot lic is where you
want to be. If you want to experience flight take a few lessons and havie
fun on the flight sim should do it. I'm not sure you will be that safe with
going for the min for everything. I trained in the East and learning to fly
all of the seasons was worth the investment.

Who knows maybe flying will turn into a love rather than a challange. Then
welcome to the club.


"oscarm" wrote in message
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for your respond.
The airport is located at the E Class Airspace in Southern California.
My instructor always told me about the benefit to learn at the airport
with Class E airspace, which is probably true.
The reason that I put a target to my self, is to find out if the
simualtor really helps or not, and to find out if I still able to
compete with my self and my will. Its just a challange that will
motivate me to learn as hard as possible. Everybody can get PPL in
60-70 hours and everbody can finish university in 4-6 years, but whats
unique about that? nothing. Challance is like an exitement in life.
That is why I need some input from all the people in this room who has
thausands thausands hour of flying about a challanging and exiting PPL
program structure.
About my english, I still have to speak and write in English and
Chinese on daily basis. Especailly at home, since i am a thirth
generation here, I still pretty much attach to my grand-parents
language. So appologize if the grammer a little off guess.

Appreciate in advance for your input.





Bob Moore wrote:
oscarm wrote
my target is maximum 13-15 hours dual and the rest are solo. Is this
sounds reasonable?

You still haven't told us where you are located, and we certainly
can't answer your questions without knowing what regulations you
will be studying under. It doesn't sound as if English is your
native language?

Bob Moore

"oscarm" writes:

I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. [...] In this
school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they
release me a solo [...]

Others have commented on the suspiciousness of this requirement.

Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something
that I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to
shrink the budget.

In your circumstances, perhaps it may be appropriate to defer your own
proper training, and befriend another local pilot. You could still
experience flight, learn a bit, but not undertake the full financial &
corporal risks involved.

- FChE

"oscarm" wrote in message
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I give my self a
target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy but flight
simulator really helps me on practice and understanding how the system
works.

PC-based flight sims can be a very useful tool. I found them particularly
useful when I was doing my IMC rating (a UK-specific cut-down alternative to
the instrument rating) because it helps you get used to setting beacon
frequencies, identifying stations, setting up approaches, flying the ILS or
ADF indicators, and so on. Do remember, though, that the PC simulator can
let you get away with some pretty horrific manoeuvres that when tried in
real life could well get you (a) arrested or (b) killed!

In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they
release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic
pattern on the very last section.

Blimey. You should smell a rat. Over here in the UK, you can get a National
PPL with just over 30 hours total time! I went solo after 13 hours, and the
majority of students I know have done so before 20 hours. If they're not
letting you solo until 30 hours, there's something weird going on.

Also, you should be doing at least a part of the radio communications within
5-10 hours. The way my instructor did it was to give me a few lessons to
figure out how this flying concept works, then to get me to do more and more
radio as time went by. So initially it might be asking for taxi, take-off
and landing clearances, then handovers from one controller to another, then
something else, and so on and so on, eventually doing practice emergency
calls and training fixes (where you actually talk on the emergency
frequencies and simulate an emergency).

Is this a good program or jsut trying
to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the Instructor
also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn the hours
while I am paying it.

Depends on the type of instructor you have. In order to get airline
transport licences, a pilot has to have a certain number of hours as
pilot-in-command of an aircraft; one way of getting these hours is to spend
them sitting beside a student, because the student's paying for the rent of
the aircraft. This doesn't automatically mean that the instructor is bad -
I've been with three hours-building instructors of this type who were all
excellent - but in some cases the instructor doesn't give a stuff and is
just using the role to build his or her hours (and a friend of mine has
suffered at the hands of one of those).

Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that
I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink
the budget.

You'll be doing well to fit it into $3,000 with any school, but the school
you're describing sounds like it'll be way more expensive.

David C