Geoff Peck

I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck
was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year.
We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation
groups.

Condolences to his family and friends

Tony

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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
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Cessna 172H C-GICE

Has anyone done research into the annual number of accidents and fatalities
afflicting pilots flying to or from Oshkosh? During the past few years that
I've been lurking around here, it seems there's one or more every year. The
next question is why?



"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-193E7A.21113706092006@shawnews...
I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck
was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year.
We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation
groups.

Condolences to his family and friends

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

From what I see, hear and am told, the EAA do not advertise this data.
Between Oshkosh, Sun & Fun and Arlington, there are several accidents
each year. When you consider the number of aircraft flying to and from
these events, the numbers are not really out of line with national stats.

But - consider that many of those aircraft arriving are not even used to
flying in controlled airspace - and now they are controlled and landing
staggered, short and long with tremendous pressure to get it right and
clear the runway, plus given the fixed dates of the event, some are
perhaps flying when under different circumstances they would have
awaited better conditions - I really don't think that their accident
stats are out of line.

Still sad though - we all want to see a safe event.

Tony

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Tony Roberts
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Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article ,
"Dice" wrote:

Has anyone done research into the annual number of accidents and fatalities
afflicting pilots flying to or from Oshkosh? During the past few years that
I've been lurking around here, it seems there's one or more every year. The
next question is why?



"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-193E7A.21113706092006@shawnews...
I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck
was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year.
We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation
groups.

Condolences to his family and friends

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

And if "Arlington" refers to the fly-in at Arlington, Wa (AWO), that is an
airport that is normally untowered (I know some are trying to get away from
the term "uncontrolled"), but they have a "tower" for the fly-in, and that
tower won't refer to planes by "numbers" but as "Green and White Cessna on
Downwind", and heard that people get scolded for using their tailnumber on
the radio while trying to land there... Which may make sense, as they don't
have any radar at that airport, thus they wouldn't be receiving any
information from any transponders, and are just controlling aircraft by
looking to see who is in the pattern and who is nearby wanting to land...

-Wade Hasbrouck
PP-ASEL
http://wadehas.spaces.live.com

"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-537890.21515706092006@shawnews...
From what I see, hear and am told, the EAA do not advertise this data.
Between Oshkosh, Sun & Fun and Arlington, there are several accidents
each year. When you consider the number of aircraft flying to and from
these events, the numbers are not really out of line with national stats.

But - consider that many of those aircraft arriving are not even used to
flying in controlled airspace - and now they are controlled and landing
staggered, short and long with tremendous pressure to get it right and
clear the runway, plus given the fixed dates of the event, some are
perhaps flying when under different circumstances they would have
awaited better conditions - I really don't think that their accident
stats are out of line.

Still sad though - we all want to see a safe event.

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article ,
"Dice" wrote:

Has anyone done research into the annual number of accidents and
fatalities
afflicting pilots flying to or from Oshkosh? During the past few years
that
I've been lurking around here, it seems there's one or more every year.
The
next question is why?



"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-193E7A.21113706092006@shawnews...
I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck
was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year.
We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation
groups.

Condolences to his family and friends

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Wade Hasbrouck wrote:
And if "Arlington" refers to the fly-in at Arlington, Wa (AWO), that is an
airport that is normally untowered (I know some are trying to get away from
the term "uncontrolled"), but they have a "tower" for the fly-in, and that
tower won't refer to planes by "numbers" but as "Green and White Cessna on
Downwind", and heard that people get scolded for using their tailnumber on
the radio while trying to land there... Which may make sense, as they don't
have any radar at that airport, thus they wouldn't be receiving any
information from any transponders, and are just controlling aircraft by
looking to see who is in the pattern and who is nearby wanting to land...

Yeah, but having been one of four blue and white Cessnas in the pattern
I can tell you there are serious drawbacks to this system.

tony roberts wrote:

and now they are controlled and landing
staggered, short and long with tremendous pressure to get it right and
clear the runway, plus given the fixed dates of the event, some are
perhaps flying when under different circumstances they would have
awaited better conditions -

I would also speculate that flying to these events might be some pilots'
only x/c for the year.

--
Peter

I would also speculate that flying to these events might be some pilots'
only x/c for the year.

Judging by what you hear on the radio, you might surmise that it is
some pilots' only *flight* for the year.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

But - consider that many of those aircraft arriving are not even used to
flying in controlled airspace - and now they are controlled and landing
staggered, short and long with tremendous pressure to get it right and
clear the runway, plus given the fixed dates of the event, some are
perhaps flying when under different circumstances they would have
awaited better conditions - I really don't think that their accident
stats are out of line.

Granted the system might need work, but I don't think the arrival procedures
are the cause of many accidents at all. There was a stall/spin on the
grounds of Airventure this year (a Europa), but you very seldom hear of
accidents happening in the "controlled" airspace. Most accidents are in
Kentucky or Iowa or some such while in route.

You will usually hear of someone putting it in the lake due to running out
of fuel, but again, not really an arrival procedure problem (well, not for
the rest of us ).

Dice wrote:
Has anyone done research into the annual number of accidents and fatalities
afflicting pilots flying to or from Oshkosh? During the past few years that
I've been lurking around here, it seems there's one or more every year. The
next question is why?

I did it one year. There are easily a couple of dozen accidents going
to or from that I can identify from the initial FAA reports. This is
not surprising. There are something like 12,000 aircraft at OSHKOSH.
This is a significant amount of the aviation activity. Couple that
with a lot of pilots and aircraft where this is their ONLY long cross
country of the year.

This was a bad year for me. In addition to Geoff, we were taxiing out
in the aftermath of the TBM running over the RV and we heard the pilot
calling mayday on Gary tower who ditched in the lake.

Very sad news. Thanks for sharing the information.


tony roberts wrote:
I haven't seen much discussion around here about this, but Geoff Peck
was killed in a plane crash on his way home from Oshkosh this year.
We all owe him our thanks - Geoff was the founder of the rec. aviation
groups.

Condolences to his family and friends

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE