Ferrying Aircraft

Well, being short of cash to fly with and reading about NW_PILOT's trip
of a lifetime ferrying a 172 across the Atlantic has left me wondering:
Is a commerical pilot certificate required to ferry an airplane for
someone? I think the answer is yes, even if I'm not being paid to fly,
if they pick up the tab for the plane & fuel. Am I correct?

John Stevens
PP-ASEL (which stands for "Poor Pilot-Airplane Single Engine Land")

wrote:
Well, being short of cash to fly with and reading about NW_PILOT's trip
of a lifetime ferrying a 172 across the Atlantic has left me wondering:
Is a commerical pilot certificate required to ferry an airplane for
someone? I think the answer is yes, even if I'm not being paid to fly,
if they pick up the tab for the plane & fuel. Am I correct?

John Stevens
PP-ASEL (which stands for "Poor Pilot-Airplane Single Engine Land")

You are receiving compensation in the form of flying time and thus need
a
commercial license.

Sounds like you understand the rules. Any ferry pilot going
over-seas needs a commercial and an instrument rating, a
passport, and tax and export/import certificates. You will
have your papers examined by customs at every border
crossing.




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| Well, being short of cash to fly with and reading about
NW_PILOT's trip
| of a lifetime ferrying a 172 across the Atlantic has left
me wondering:
| Is a commerical pilot certificate required to ferry an
airplane for
| someone? I think the answer is yes, even if I'm not being
paid to fly,
| if they pick up the tab for the plane & fuel. Am I
correct?
|
| John Stevens
| PP-ASEL (which stands for "Poor Pilot-Airplane Single
Engine Land")
|

Jim Macklin schrieb:

Any ferry pilot going
over-seas needs a commercial and an instrument rating, a

An instrument rating is defintely not required.

Stefan

Stefan wrote:
Jim Macklin schrieb:

Any ferry pilot going over-seas needs a commercial and an instrument
rating, a

An instrument rating is defintely not required.

Stefan
Why is a commercial?

Emily schrieb:

Any ferry pilot going over-seas needs a commercial and an instrument
rating, a

An instrument rating is defintely not required.

Why is a commercial?

*I* didn't say it was. (It might if you're ferrying for someone else,
but I really don't know so I didn't comment this part.)

Stefan

If you are over Kansas and the weather turns bad, you can
land anywhere. Over the ocean, landing spots are further
apart. The owner's expect that any ferry pilot can fly IFR.



"Stefan" wrote in message
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| Jim Macklin schrieb:
|
| Any ferry pilot going
| over-seas needs a commercial and an instrument rating, a
|
| An instrument rating is defintely not required.
|
| Stefan

Jim Macklin schrieb:
If you are over Kansas and the weather turns bad, you can
land anywhere. Over the ocean, landing spots are further
apart. The owner's expect that any ferry pilot can fly IFR.



"Stefan" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin schrieb:
|
| Any ferry pilot going
| over-seas needs a commercial and an instrument rating, a
|
| An instrument rating is defintely not required.
|
| Stefan



It's one question what "the owners" expect (why would you know this,
anyway), but it's an entirely different question what's *required*.

Stefan

The owners of any property expect to get it back. Insurance
companies set requirements. US Customs doesn't care whether
a pilot is legal." Foreign nations do care and will check
ALL paperwork on the airplane, the insurance and the pilot's
certificates.

So required might mean several things, In 1927, an
instrument rating was not required [did even exist]. In
WWII, most bomber pilots could actually fly the gauges and
fly straight and level.

Remember Flight 19, a bunch of Navy pilots got lost over/in
the waters near Florida and have not been seen since.


"Stefan" wrote in message
. ..
| Jim Macklin schrieb:
| If you are over Kansas and the weather turns bad, you
can
| land anywhere. Over the ocean, landing spots are
further
| apart. The owner's expect that any ferry pilot can fly
IFR.
|
|
|
| "Stefan" wrote in message
| ...
| | Jim Macklin schrieb:
| |
| | Any ferry pilot going
| | over-seas needs a commercial and an instrument
rating, a
| |
| | An instrument rating is defintely not required.
| |
| | Stefan
|
|
|
| It's one question what "the owners" expect (why would you
know this,
| anyway), but it's an entirely different question what's
*required*.
|
| Stefan

Jim Macklin wrote:
If you are over Kansas and the weather turns bad, you can
land anywhere. Over the ocean, landing spots are further
apart. The owner's expect that any ferry pilot can fly IFR.

I'm not sure if its still the case but I know at one time Cessna
prohibited its factory delivery pilots from flying IFR when deliverying
planes.

-Robert