Jantar 48-2 vs Pik20d

Hi guys,

It has been a while since I have posted here. I have
finally narrowed my search to 2 gliders. I am aware
of the following on each glider:

Jantar - Visibility during tow, and tight cockpit (I
am 5'10' 148 lbs so I fit ok).

Pik 20D - Thick wing mold, parts support, and flaps.

I am a low time glider pilot (27 hours), private pilot
(180 hours) and a high time hang glider pilot (560
hours). I am looking for input regarding the handling,
visibility during flight, problems with each glider,
and any other input.

Thank You,

Jeff Runciman

Jeff Runciman wrote:
Hi guys,

It has been a while since I have posted here. I have
finally narrowed my search to 2 gliders. I am aware
of the following on each glider:

Jantar - Visibility during tow, and tight cockpit (I
am 5'10' 148 lbs so I fit ok).

Pik 20D - Thick wing mold, parts support, and flaps.

I am a low time glider pilot (27 hours), private pilot
(180 hours) and a high time hang glider pilot (560
hours). I am looking for input regarding the handling,
visibility during flight, problems with each glider,
and any other input.

Thank You,

Jeff Runciman

Sorry about that last blank post. Did you write off ASW 19 and Pegasus
101? If so, why?
Here is a good PIK link:
http://www.appledor.net/tsillas/soaring/index.html
Craig

Jeff Runciman wrote:
Hi guys,

It has been a while since I have posted here. I have
finally narrowed my search to 2 gliders. I am aware
of the following on each glider:

Jantar - Visibility during tow, and tight cockpit (I
am 5'10' 148 lbs so I fit ok).

Pik 20D - Thick wing mold, parts support, and flaps.

I am a low time glider pilot (27 hours), private pilot
(180 hours) and a high time hang glider pilot (560
hours). I am looking for input regarding the handling,
visibility during flight, problems with each glider,
and any other input.

Thank You,

Jeff Runciman

If you're considering a D-model PIK, the flaps are not such an
obstacle. It has flaps and spoilers. My B-model, has flaps only, and
some people are put off by that. All I can say is that I'm 5'10" and
225 lbs. I am a little tight in the shoulders in my PIK, but not
uncomfortable. I believe the PIKs will end up being among the most
durable sailplanes ever produced. I also believe you'll be happeir with
the PIKs performance.

Just my opinion...

Jack Womack
PIK-20B N77MA (TE)

Jeff Runciman wrote:
Hi guys,

I have
finally narrowed my search to 2 gliders. I am aware
of the following on each glider:

Jantar - Visibility during tow, and tight cockpit (I
am 5'10' 148 lbs so I fit ok).

Pik 20D - Thick wing mold, parts support, and flaps.

Jeff, I asume you are talking about a Jantar Standard?When I was
shopping a few years ago I noticed that the price of an ASW20 was just
barely more than the PIK20D.So I went with the ASW20 as a first ship
and no complaints (Just be methodical about checking yourself out)!The
PIK is nice, but I think the ASW20 is just a bit faster and MUCH better
product support.Stick with the flaped ships if you can, you will be
alot happier than with a standard.
Another thing to consider is that with ships this old, sometimes you
just have to go after condition and not limit yourself to a peticular
type of ship.
Good Luck, you are just in time for shopping season.


Thank You,

Jeff Runciman

K Urban

I have not written off any gliders yet. I have been
looking since 2005. I have not been able to find an
ASW 19 and the 101 has not been imported into Canada
yet. I would love to get a 101 as I have heard it
is a flapless ASW 20 but would be hard to bring into
Canada. It is also almost impossible to bring in an
experimental aircraft into Canada.

Jeff


At 01:54 13 November 2006, wrote:
Sorry about that last blank post. Did you write off
ASW 19 and Pegasus
101? If so, why?
Here is a good PIK link:
http://www.appledor.net/tsillas/soaring/index.html
Craig

Jeff Runciman wrote:
Hi guys,

It has been a while since I have posted here. I have
finally narrowed my search to 2 gliders. I am aware
of the following on each glider:

Jantar - Visibility during tow, and tight cockpit
(I
am 5'10' 148 lbs so I fit ok).

Pik 20D - Thick wing mold, parts support, and flaps.

I am a low time glider pilot (27 hours), private pilot
(180 hours) and a high time hang glider pilot (560
hours). I am looking for input regarding the handling,
visibility during flight, problems with each glider,
and any other input.

Thank You,

Jeff Runciman

Jeff Runciman wrote:
I have not written off any gliders yet. I have been
looking since 2005. I have not been able to find an
ASW 19 and the 101 has not been imported into Canada
yet. I would love to get a 101 as I have heard it
is a flapless ASW 20 but would be hard to bring into
Canada. It is also almost impossible to bring in an
experimental aircraft into Canada.

You are right regarding the 101 if it is not certified/approved in
Canada
In other words you would have to do the leg work to get it approved.
Importing an experimental and if this type is flying and certified in
Canada
then it is just a question of getting the paper work in order. It may
cost
you an extra $500.00. Been there done that. Even a registered home
built
can be imported into Canada.

Udo

On any PIK, or any sailplane for that matter, look at the ADs and the
log book. My PIK-20B has several ADs that can be periodically
inspected, or fixed permanently. All of mine had the permanent fix so I
don't have to fool with them. I do still look... I may be crazy, but I
ain't stupid!

Best of luck with it.

Jack

Check this:

http://asw19.bravehost.com/

Craig

Jeff Runciman wrote:
I have not been able to find an
ASW 19.

Actually, don't check it!

When Turf closed, I decided to sell it, but it has so much crazing that
no one was really interrested in it. So I decided to fly it after all,
and just put 90 hrs in it the last 6 months!
Still fly nice, and it's now paid for...

So don't waste your time calling me, I am keeping it!...:-)

Richard
ASW19
Phoenix AZ


wrote:
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http://asw19.bravehost.com/