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Granted that we can pretty much enter anything into our log books as long as
we are willing to sign the true and accurate caveat at the bottom of the page. Here's a hypothetical scenario. CJ gets an invitation to go for a ride in ER's rotary wing machine for a 30 minute hop around the town. CJ is PP ASEL without a helo endorsement. ER is fully qualified to fly the machine but does NOT have a CFI cert. CJ asks ER to 'sign' his log book showing that he did a 30 minute flight in NXXXX. No entry is made to show any dual, nor PIC time. So what's the point? I suppose the entry tallies up another 30 minutes in the total time column. I'd have another hundred hours in my log book if I'd tallied up the number of times I sat in the front seat and never touched the controls. How about riding in the back seat? Or seat 18C on Southwest from LAX to Phoenix? |
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N2310D wrote:
Here's a hypothetical scenario. CJ gets an invitation to go for a ride in ER's rotary wing machine for a 30 minute hop around the town. CJ is PP ASEL without a helo endorsement. ER is fully qualified to fly the machine but does NOT have a CFI cert. There's nothing for CJ to log. |
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CJ asks ER to 'sign' his log book showing that he
did a 30 minute flight in NXXXX. No entry is made to show any dual, nor PIC time. CJ's signature is meaningless. ER could just as easily put the time in his logbook and leave it at that. The time could not be counted towards anything I'm aware of (I don't know if it even counts as total time, or the "total time" that insurance companies care about). CJ's signature doesn't validate anything. Jose -- "There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing. Unfortunately, nobody knows what they are." - (mike). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jose wrote:
The time could not be counted towards anything I'm aware of (I don't know if it even counts as total time, or the "total time" that insurance companies care about). I go the initials wrong in my last post, but agree with Jose. ER took a helicopter _ride_. You don't log rides, as they don't mean anything, and they don't count toward any time. ER wasn't legally receiving dual, he isn't qualified to be a safety pilot if CJ was under the hood (wrong category & class), and he isn't qualified to log PIC. Therefore there is nothing than can be logged in any time column of a legal logbook. Perhaps he could have someone take a nice commemorative picture of him (business opportunity for the OP? G) in the heli, and have CJ sign it! G |
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"N2310D" wrote in message
news:cTYbh.11$QC.8@trnddc02... Granted that we can pretty much enter anything into our log books as long as we are willing to sign the true and accurate caveat at the bottom of the page. There is no requirement to sign the logbook as "true and accurate", never mind to do so on each page. [...] So what's the point? I suppose the entry tallies up another 30 minutes in the total time column. I'd have another hundred hours in my log book if I'd tallied up the number of times I sat in the front seat and never touched the controls. How about riding in the back seat? Or seat 18C on Southwest from LAX to Phoenix? "Total time" is generally used to track total *loggable* time. If the time is not otherwise loggable for other reasons, most pilots would not include it under "total time". So, what's the point? None. It's a waste of time. Even worse, the pilot can't use that "total time" number for any regulatory purpose if they pollute it by including flights that aren't actually loggable. Logging time like that just makes things harder. Pete |
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First of all, I agree that it seems pointless for CJ to put that kind of entry into his log book. He opines that it counts for total time even if none of it was PIC or instruction -- he thinks of it as "flight experience." Having ER 'sign' the entry was more of a momento. ===== Sorry, Barry, you either misread the original post or got confused by Jose's response. CJ was a passenger. ER was the helo pilot. ===== Pete, the thing about the signature on each page comes from looking at my log book. At the bottom of the left page is a block that reads (quoting): "I certify that the statements made by me on this form are true. Pilot's Signature______________________________" Now, I can't find anything in the FARs 61.51 or 61.59 to require that signature, but nonetheless the space is provided for it in my log. |
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"N2310D" wrote in message
news:dK%bh.130$lb1.32@trnddc05... [...] Pete, the thing about the signature on each page comes from looking at my log book. At the bottom of the left page is a block that reads (quoting): "I certify that the statements made by me on this form are true. Pilot's Signature______________________________" Now, I can't find anything in the FARs 61.51 or 61.59 to require that signature, but nonetheless the space is provided for it in my log. Mine as well. It's a common inclusion in the usual premade logbooks one can buy from a pilot shop. But there's no legal requirement that I sign it. Pete |
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So what's the point? I suppose the entry tallies up another 30 minutes in the total time column. I'd have another hundred hours in my log book if I'd tallied up the number of times I sat in the front seat and never touched the controls. How about riding in the back seat? Or seat 18C on Southwest from LAX to Phoenix? You can log what you want as long as it's not fraudulent. Many people keep their logbooks as sort of a "flying diary" and the remarks are like "Flew out to Bubbas for Lunch with Bobby and Earl." I know at least one person who collects famous aviator autographs in his logbook. You're right, it counts for nothing. |
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